How does a two links from dmoz affect my PR

[Michi]

Hi there...

I listed (still waiting) my site www.mytrashmail.com at dmoz.
Its an english version. But soon I am going to have a japanese, german and chinese version.

Of course I am going to submit the site for all languages.

Lets say I get listed in dmoz 4 times.

Does this has any affect on my Google PR when 4 links from dmzo or only one link from dmoz points to my site?

Is it better to point all links to the same "index.html" or is it better seperately to each language page ("index_ja" "index_german" "index_chinese")

Thanks for helping

Michael

[Pyrrhonist]

Every link will help you - even if it's from the same domain. Now, you MAY receive a diminishing return, and you can't be sure about that, either, but the links themselves will all count.

As for where you link them to, you're going to want to point them to the place that's most likely to get listed. DMoz isn't there to feed you PR and links. If you submit index.html, and there's no content there that the editor likes, you're not going to get listed. Personally, I would direct the links to where they're going to be real, relevent content.

[gps31]

Michi - If you get listed in DMOZ 4 times, PLEASE let me know. I have some kids I can sell to get the money to buy your secret...

Seriously, if you have 4 seperate sites all in their own language, you should submit each site on it's own to each countrie's top directories. This way you serve your users better.

[Pyrrhonist]

gps31,

you might wanna keep your kids. Deep linking is allowed if the content allows it. I know of several sites that have multiple listings in DMOZ. If Michi has content that warrants listings in multiple categories, then why shouldn't he get in? DMOZ is supposed to be the best human-edited directory around. If I have the best, unique content in 3 different categories, then I deserve those 3 listings.

[gps31]

Quote "If I have the best, unique content in 3 different categories, then I deserve those 3 listings".

I couldn't agree more. But from the looks of the site, it's a temporary mail service, and I don't believe the DMOZ editor's would place it in three different categories, UNLESS it was by country.

Just my .02

[Pyrrhonist]

Fair enough.

I was answering a hypothetical question, without looking at his site on its content.

His original question was if the links would count four times or just once, and I limited my response to that.

As for the validity of his content, and if his site would warrant additional entries, I leave those things to the powers that be.

[gps31]

I hear that. Since I am the only SEO person where I work, I relish conversation where I can engage with people who actually know what they're talking about. Everyone else just gives the "Glazed over" stare if I try to explain anything... :eyes:

[Pyrrhonist]

LOL, that's what my gf does. She HATES it when I talk SEO (unless it's about the Benjamins). Fortunately, since I work for an seo company, I we can talk about it as much as we want.

[rizla]

I know what u r talking about...
I got 1 seo fellow but most of time I'm with other people & ... I get Glazes... :rolleyes:

[Buster]

Just to add that it is indeed very possible to get a site listed in different categories based on language and assuming that it is focusing on the audience of that language.

For each language you will still have to meet the unqiue content factor and obviously it may be unique in one language (country) but there may be many more similar sites already listed in another language (if that makes sense). So a listing in one is not an automatic ticket to the others but likewise a rejection from one is not necessarily a complete rejection to others.

Submission should be made under the correct language under http://dmoz.org/World/

As for what to submit see http://dmoz.org/guidelines/site-specific.html#multi-lingual

[Pyrrhonist]

Buster, you're great!!

It seems like whenever there's a DMOZ question, you're here to answer it.

Thanks

[Buster]

And if I am not here - just SHOUT!!

Seriously I can only answer the general questions and I cannot edit directory wide (so can't always be consise on status checks) but I can at least point my finger in the right direction :)

[Michi]

I do not see any problems to get listed in different languages. I take an effort to translate my content to other languages.

But I must say that I already submitted my enlish version site to dmoz but still waiting for approval.....and frankly...dmoz is just like praying!

Michi

[Michi]

[QUOTE=Buster]Just to add that it is indeed very possible to get a site listed in different categories based on language and assuming that it is focusing on the audience of that language.

For each language you will still have to meet the unqiue content factor and obviously it may be unique in one language (country) but there may be many more similar sites already listed in another language (if that makes sense). So a listing in one is not an automatic ticket to the others but likewise a rejection from one is not necessarily a complete rejection to others.

Submission should be made under the correct language under http://dmoz.org/World/

As for what to submit see http://dmoz.org/guidelines/site-specific.html#multi-lingual[/QUOTE]

I totaly agree with you. There are similar content pages already for English sites.

Michi

[owlcroft]

[QUOTE=SEO Bob]Deep linking is allowed if the content allows it. I know of several sites that have multiple listings in DMOZ.[/QUOTE]Whereas dmoz emphatically declares (http://dmoz.org/help/submit.html) :
How do I get my site listed in more than one category?

You should submit your site to the single most appropriate category that is directly relevant to your site's content. Please only submit your site one time. The ODP editors reserve the right to use their editorial discretion to determine which category or categories your site will ultimately be placed. Note the words single and one time; despite them, though, there are numerous sites with multiple links--to my personal knowledge, several of them are in quite closely related categories and are all to the site's index page. I believe the technical term for dmoz's behavior is "lying weasels".

(No, it's not secret, either: once, in my naivete, I reported a large number of those folk, discreetly, with a "Gee, it says here" and an occasional "perhaps" and "maybe"--I mean, no wild-eyed table thumping. Ha ha. Ha.)

They also say this (http://dmoz.org/guidelines/spamming.html):

Spam occurs if . . . one site is submitted to multiple inappropriate categories . . . . One trick sites will use to try to get multiple listings in the directory is to submit their site (or similar versions of their site or sub-sections of their site – “Deep-Linking”) under different registered domains.Of course, like all lying weasels, they put their disclaimers right on the same page as their macho BS:

In some cases, sites will be deep-linked. In these cases, the deep links should offer content that is extremely useful to a particular category, or the content should be particularly unique. (That from someone who has clearly never troubled to look up the definition of "unique".)

In other words, "you absolutely, positively cannot ever do it except when you can." Oh, and "we will always relentlessly punish you, except when we won't."

Words to live by . . . .

[Buster]

The simple fact is that deeplinks are the exception and are by editor choice and discretion and NOT a decision to be made by a submitter. The amount of time I have gone to a category to weed out 200 pages of the same site because the person decided to submit every page is amazing.

If the editor feel the content is good enough to list part of it in another category then they may choose to do so or gather more opinion from other editors.

The language factor is different from the guidelines in relation to deeplinking and for that reason the guidelines include simple instructions.

[4Kids]

Ah, I didn't consider the multi-lingual SEO game.

I'm translating my entire site (including my links pages) into Korean! (I've got a dictionary here somewhere). Wheeeeeee!

[rizla]

good luck (or - [COLOR=Blue]kiuo77yghjd sansiwqe[/COLOR]) ;) , if you'll ever need Hebrew help - just give me a call

[Buster]

yrros - pleh rof em ksa tnod os hsilgne neknurd dna hsilgne dnatsrednu ylno i

[Michi]

Well, the german dmoz had me listed just after one week!!! :p

i am still waiting for the english link...keep you updated

[rizla]

congrats Michi... good luck with the English listings

[Michi]

Thanks Rizla.....

The English Dmoz is like the mafia I guess :cool:

[StillaNerd]

Wow if you get your site listed in DMOZ, please let me know. I tried to get our site listed and I have heard Nada, Zero, Zilch! I even posted an inquiry on status, and they said check back in 6 months....Any secrets you want to share?

I gave in and now have our site in review for the Yahoo Directory; cost me $300 bucks though!

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Top Knobs (www.doorancabinethardwaredepot.com)

[seo guy]

lol good luck on the dmoz listing, its either get in to edit your category or dont bother for most categories. BTW Your link in your sig is broken, I think its supposed to point to http://www.doorandcabinethardwaredepot.com/ and if so then we have some link exchange clients for you :-)