Get listed in the DMOZ fast

[goervin]

Sorry buddy... this is not the place to advertise phone # to get informations on this or that...

If you have someting helpfull to post be my guest.

[bling]

[QUOTE=goervin]Sorry buddy... this is not the place to advertise phone # to get informations on this or that...

If you have someting helpfull to post be my guest.[/QUOTE]
I knew it was too good to be true.

[Buster]

:)

[goervin]

Ok guys, here is the "Beef". I did not want to post this and put my number in so I could talk one on one, but here it go's.

I sent in my website to the DMOZ and waited three month to get listed. It I sent in a status request and got nothing but a reply saying that it could take two years to get listed. I waited another two months and still no review. I was told that there is no way to know how long it would take to get listed.

After six months I decided to take matters into my own hands. I went to the DMOZ directory and went to the catagory I was trying to get listed in. At the bottom of the catagory it tells you who, if any, the DMOZ editor is for the catagory. I clicked on thier name and it gave me contact information on them. It listed thier email and thier website url. I went to thier site and sent them an email requesting "in the nicest way I could" to have them review my site and add it to the DMOZ.

Two days latter, I got a reply from the editor of my catagory saying that they liked my website and had added it to the DMOZ directory. It took a week for the listing to show and that was that.

I had wasted six months waiting for a listing and got it in two days.

Now is that to good to be true? It is.

[jocelyn]

Now that's an helpfull tip for those who wonder what to try.

Oh yeah... welcome to the forum goervin.

[Buster]

But please do be aware that at a guess more than 70% of editors will NOT bother to reply to feedback.

This may sound silly to the genuine submitters but you would be surprised how many people have been threatened following what started as a 'asked in the nicest possible way'. Editors have been harrassed beyond belief and had phone calls at work, home and contact made in anyway possible open to the not so nice person. It has even happended that editors have had violence threatened against themseleves or their family.

Because of this most editors choose not to even start entering into dialogue with ANYONE no matter how nice the contact is. Remember that an editors job is a completely voluntary one and EVERYTHING they do is both off their own back and has to fit in with their real life things like work, family, time illnesses, school, college and everything else that everyday people do. They are after all no different from everyone else who walk the earth. The only difference is that they put a bit of time into building a directory and that reason is not a good enough one for any editor to feel that they have to enter into any conversation with a submitter ad risk any thing that may happen as a result.

Being perfectly honest it is something that editors are discouraged from doing for their own safety.

I am only saying this so that other are not dissapointed when they receive absolutely no reply for their effort.

[bbott]

I don't see any editors listed at the bottom of ANY category. What are you talking about ???!

[goervin]

First you have to go to the catagory that you want to be listed in. For example: http://dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Web_Design_and_Development/
and look at the bottom of the page. It says "Category editors: edseward, pnm" This is the editor that deals with this directory.

[avaden]

I realize this post is a little old, but I was once a DMOZ editor about 5-6 years ago. I was an editor in the health category for pharmacy listings. I just submitted my app to become an editor for the fun of it. They approved me and I was off. I am here to tell you, it is the EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD!!!! Understand that this was a very high volume category and I was one of two people managing this category. This was the extent of my job....

I logged in twice a week. You navigate to new submissions and have your list of websites. Your job is to review every aspect of the submission....the title, description, the url and then to visit their website and determine many things about the website itself. You could literally determine the outcome of a submission in 15-20 minutes. I probably reviewed a few thousand entries while I was an editor. Then I didn't login for a couple of months due to some personal issues and my login was deleted. Of course, any attempts to re-apply have been axed.

So my point of this post is this.....there is absolutely ZERO reason for a new submission to take more than a couple of months!!! If the editors cannot handle it, they need to retire from their voluntary work and give it up to someone that has the time. I don't agree to people threatening editors, but when DMOZ becomes a very important part of website marketing...making your website more viewable to potential customers, they need to take care of business! DMOZ is used by many major engines so to get listed in it is very important.

I also thing the way in which the editors treat webmasters is very rude. I have read through the forum and most of them need to quit. They have the biggest chip on their shoulders towards people that are 100% sincere. If they can't handle the job, they need to drop it and move on. Voluntary work isn't for everyone....and most of those "everyone's" are working for DMOZ.

well...I'll quit my ranting.... :D trust me when I say it's super easy to be an editor.....or maybe I just sucked at it and missed the big picture :D

[eduardomaio]

[QUOTE=avaden]So my point of this post is this.....there is absolutely ZERO reason for a new submission to take more than a couple of months!!! If the editors cannot handle it, they need to retire from their voluntary work and give it up to someone that has the time. I don't agree to people threatening editors, but when DMOZ becomes a very important part of website marketing...making your website more viewable to potential customers, they need to take care of business! DMOZ is used by many major engines so to get listed in it is very important.[/QUOTE]

avaden I couldn't agree more with you! Only if a category doesn't have an editor the submission could take a while... But, it only takes a while because (at least in the Portuguese side) it takes a long long time for someone to be an editor... I've already requested to be an editor of other category but it still is peding... That's sad 'cause my current cat only receives 1 submission once a week so I have plenty of time that I could make "profitable" editing other categories.

Also, other category editors aren't that friendly to talk to... So sometimes it makes an editor work hard because you can't do anything beside your own cat...

[Buster]

I am not going to enter into a debate because it is clear from the tone that no matter what is said your mind is already made up.

So my point of this post is this.....there is absolutely ZERO reason for a new submission to take more than a couple of months!!!

Are you serious? You are talking from experience? If you refer to the 'I was an editor 5 years ago' line then you really don't have a clue what you are talking about and a sniff of the coffee would be good right now.

5 years ago people could make a living out of affiliate adverts. 5 years ago there where no companies who owned 500 websites and even more domains simply just to sell one product. 5 years ago I never got emails unless I asked for them. 5 years ago there was not programs that could submit every single page of a website to 100 search engines in less than 5 minutes. 5 years ago the total sites listed in DMOZ was probaly less than the current weekly submission rate.

Do you have any idea how many sites used to be submitted to the ODP and how many are submitted now? The contrast from 5 years ago is like the difference between the colours black and white and what was once submitted monthly is probably now submitted on a daily basis. More time as an editor is spent dealing with the junk and dupicate submissions. If it wasn't for some of the measures in place to deal with abuse then the directory simply would not be able to cope and the people who want to get listed that much would end up being the ones that run it into the ground with their crap.

At the end of the day a site could be listed in weeks if for only one factor..... EVRYONE took the time to read the guidelines with both eyes open!!

[Buster]

Just to put what I say into contrast. This is what the ODP was 5 years ago:

471,934 sites - 4,394 unreviewed - 73,879 categories ( http://web.archive.org/web/19990429042814/http://www.dmoz.org/ )

Now:

4,412,982 sites listed (and they don't manage themselves!! )
590,000 categories (and again they don't appear/maintain themselves)
In the Regional/Europe branch alone there are 229,341 listed and 76,181 sites awaiting a review.

Then we have the spam categories!

Eg: Computers/Internet has approximately 48,000 sites waiting for a review.

Perhaps now you can begin to image what scale we are taling about. I only refer above to a couple of sub categories so what do you think the figures are for the whole directory???

[avaden]

Buster, you have a great point because I am well aware of how different it was 5 years ago compared to now, but you have absolutely no argument on why it would take upwards of a year to approve a site. That is ridiculous. Then lets take the whole attitude they have towards people. "YES" some people deserve it, but go to their forum and read through the posts. They are absolute jerks to some nice people. No need for it. All I'm saying is, if they can't keep up or be nice to people that make their directory better, then either allow more editors or ditch the one's that have the chip on their shoulder.

As with any growing business..... ADD PEOPLE.... ADD RESOURCES .....MAINTAIN PERFECT CUSTOMER SERVICE.

I know it's not a business, so to speak, but it is. Someone pays money to host it, someone pays to use it....we just don't know about it.

So, that's my rebuttal to the debate you didn't want to get into :D

[Buster]

I know it's not a business, so to speak, but it is. Someone pays money to host it, someone pays to use it....we just don't know about it.

I don't understand, sorry. It is hosted by its owners (AOL, Netscape), it only has a couple of paid staff, there is no advertising.

ODP, if it was a business, would run at a loss. It takes no money or revenue but yet has to pay for staff.

[avaden]

Well, from what I understand it's a 100% volunteer type of staff that runs the entire thing. I know most editors are just random people that do it on their free time. I have no idea if they pay actual humans for anything like you say, but my point was...it uses space somewhere on many servers, sits on fast internet connections and I'm sure uses quite a bit of bandwidth. These things are not "free".

So you are a volunteer I see. Now I understand the stance. :) All is good. I'm a perfectionist and the owner of 3 different businesses. Customer service is my number 1 priority in each one, so when I see the way innocent, nice people are treated in those ODP forums, it really gets under my skin. Then I go off on a rant about things they need to improve on. I think as big as DMOZ has become, it needs to think about ways to take so much of the responsibilities off of the volunteers. I also see the extremely rude webmasters yelling at them, which isn't fair either.

Well...this is the last thing I'll say about it. Fun talking about it. I feel like I got some points off of my chest....thanks for listening! HA!

[Buster]

Customer service is my number 1 priority in each one, so when I see the way innocent, nice people are treated in those ODP forums, it really gets under my skin.

Please don't get me wrong I am all for customer service (my trade was a retail manager of a High Street store) and yes I agree the from the outside it does look like editors are the nasty scum of the net simply because of the posts in the resource zone.

The problem here is that the editors and the message poster have the full picture but the person reading it (eg. you for instance) doesn't know anything other than what they can read.

Example: Mr Bloggs, the person asking about why www.mydomain.com has not been listed for a year even though the site contains a wealth of information and it has been voted as best 'blah' site of the year in 'blah magazine'. He has tried to contact the editor of the category but has not had any response. You might think that the response "Go away your site is rubbish and will not be listed" is harsh... however... what you don't know (and we can't reveal for confidentiality reasons) is that:

Mr Bloggs owns more than 100 sites most of which contain all the same information. Mr Bloggs takes great pleasure in submitting each of these 100 sites to as many inappropriate categories as possible. Mr Bloggs has a reputation of contacting editors but when the editor says something he does not want to hear he starts geting nasty and has even been threatening. The editors email address has been plastered all over the net and the editor needs his own server just to handle all the junk mail that Mr Bloggs has obliged in signing him up for.

In addition to Mr Bloggs he is also known as Mrs Smith, Mr SEO104, Superman and god knows how many other names in the forum. Each and every one of them is a problem user and seems to simply exist to place messages on the forum with the intent of making editors look bad.

And by the way.. Mr Bloggs was an editor who was removed due to the fact he listed 10 of his sites even though they breach guidelines!!

Okay this is an over the top example but trust me there is nearly always a story behind every post and as editors we can see that story in our records (our facilities and tools have increased beyond belief in 5 years :) )

Trust me when I say that editors take our guidelines (or should I say bible) very seriously and part of that bible contains how we should and should not communicate with the general public and being arrogant for no reason would not be tolerated.

A coin can only land on one side but there is alway something on the other side to look at!!

[avaden]

I completely see your point when it's put that way, but the rudeness still should be kept away from other's that have nothing to do with situations like that.

Maybe DMOZ should go public and sell their shares for TWO HUNDRED a share. Then you will become a millionaire like the Googlegimps.

[Buster]

but the rudeness still should be kept away from other's that have nothing to do with situations like that.

That I completely agree with. The only problem is that with so many different cultures and backgrounds it can be hard working out what is rude (intentional or other). Something said in British English, and read by a british English person may sound okay however the exact same comment in that context to someone in America could find it offensive.

What makes it even harder is that text has no emotion. That is one of the major downfalls of forums and chat rooms.

[avaden]

What makes it even harder is that text has no emotion.

That is so not true......look at this and tell me you don't have emotion....

Things are just all :fuct:

Don't worry, I'll be there for you ;)

I'm just a :D type of a guy

That just made me feel :confused:

All kidding aside..."YES" text is hard to read. I want to go more into it, but I've had 4 big ole 7 & 7's and I'm typing this with one hand and one eye open. So i'm gonna have to discontinue theis confrestaion.........sooyrr