Link Pop - PR Display

[dilligaf]

Just a thought with the recent changes.... IMO if you have newer sites and you're not duming a $hitload on your links, you're missing the boat. If your serp's suck and they update PR at all... ever.. it's gonna matter alot.

It just semms to me that they couldn't continue displaying it if they didn't intend to update it at some point.

[seo guy]

hmmm yeah we will just need to find a better measure, guess what is on the table for tomorrow an allinanchor: tool :)

[dilligaf]

I'm talking primarily about finding link partners whose pages get spidered frequently more than PR's effect on SERP's.

[smindsrt]

D-

I agree or at least hope, with what you are saying. I've been working on my allinanchor and hope this proves useful on the next PR update.

finding links and hoping, OK praying my a$$ off.

[seo guy]

we have 2 linking clients in the medical field smin why dont you PM SEO Kid and let him know to exchange links and he will, one is a lap band / lap band surgery guy the other is a canadian pharmacy (Not an affiliate site but an actual canadian pharmacy they are licensed have a facility etc) the band site is PR 6 (Not that PR matters) and the pharmacy is PR 7 again see comment on PR lol

I dont mind posting the lap band URL here http://www.lap-band-surgery.org/ but as per an arrangement with the pharmacy I'm not sure I can post the link in public I will have to check with them, but PM is in confidence so you can get that URL there (Or just check google for canadian pharmacy ;) we are always top 5 hehe

[smindsrt]

THANK YOU!!!!

What a great idea. I just sent Kid a PM.

Thank you! :D

[gooner]

guess what is on the table for tomorrow an allinanchor: tool

I don't know if it is possible but what would be handy is the actual number of times a word or phrase is used as anchor text in the google index with a list of the pages the anchor text is pointing to ordered by frequency.

I suppose that is like asking for the holy grail though.

[seo guy]

Its impossible, Google does not publish a frequency for the allinanchor: #'s just a sequential order but really its quite easy to track, EVERY relevant link increases your allinanchor as long as its spiderable and because of the speed in which allinanchor: updates its only a week or 2 before you see progress

[seo guy]

see now you hit me with the SEO tool bug again damnit lol, I will have something by next week, mcdar my ass!

JK buddy you know I luv ya

[dilligaf]

So what's the consensus here? That Google will not, at some point, update the PR? or Other web guys will no longer look at PR when considering recips?

[Cygnus]

I still have some webmasters refusing to link with some interior PR0 pages, even when my PR0 pages outrank their PR4+ home pages...PR probably isn't completely dead yet, but I stopped fixating on it about 5-6 months ago.

Cygnus

[dilligaf]

I agree to some extent but was referring to increasing conversion in e-mailing for recip links and then by having your link hit regularly. That conversion rate is manifold higher from PR4/5 links pages than from PR1/2.

It's rather like the economy... a dollar is only worth a dollar because we think it is.

[jocelyn]

If you mean that a link on a page crawled daily would be worth more than a link on a dusty deep page. Pages crawled daily are usually a PR4 or above and considered more important, like the good old BL liste we used to have. Like a link on a page that gets freshdates every day would mean it's a more important page that is linking to you. That make sence to me.

[Somtam]

Hey,

This is news to me. Has google at some point said they'll stop updating the PR bar, or is this just speculations? You're freaking me out here... :)

Trond

[dilligaf]

Somtam, I don't think Google has said anything about it (we just know that they haven't seen fit to do so in a couple of updates). I wonder if it came up at the last conference. My opininion is that they have to update it or remove it. The original post was to encourage newer sites to aggressively link to their resouece pages to make future link building easier.

If webmasters still look at PR when swapping links, and you may have to live with your PR for 3 mos or so...

Part of the discussion here has been the decreased relevance of PR as well.

[jocelyn]

BackLinks seem to fit a certain pattern as for the amount showing. Sections of my site that are basically on the same linking level as other pages, have that diminished amount of back links, but pretty similar amount for the pages. Like one sections has 25 BL +- 1 showing for all pages. The other one has 29 +- 1 showing. Did not look into it much more than the amount of the sections.

You remember how the toolbar buttons would change and have little hearths and stuff on some holydays. Could they just make the PR gauge go away like they changed the buttons? If it's yes, then why is it still there? Or why didn't they just pull an update that removes it. When I see that gauge go, then I might think PR is not used.

It can be anything, but until this little green bar is gone, unless they read forums and have fun reading all the theories comming out of this, it is still seen as usefull or not to be faded out yet.

After the Florida, Austin and Brandy updates, this will be the next most interesting thing concerning google's changes I think.

[seo guy]

It really is up to us as the elite to change the perception of what a good linking partner is. We got ourselves into this mess by saying "Look for PR" last year when it mattered, now we must undo it and say "screw PR look for relevance and just make sure its spiderable" will take some time but it will catch on. If people need supporting documentation dont forget we have http://www.seo-guy.com/seo-tutorial/backlinks-anchor-text.html so if you're on other forums and peeps are talking smack about needing PR send em there

[seo guy]

especially note the comment

"I would rather have a PR 1 back link from a quality content site matching my theme then a PR 7 site wide link from a Viagra site (Unless of course I am a Viagra site myself, then I'll TAKE IT! ;-) Don't forget that page rank is always nice to brag about but in today's Google it has a lot less to do with the SERPS (Search Engine Result Pages) then it once did."

[jocelyn]

Unless I see manipulations of some sort, very hard to find page that has my link on it, redirect... I don't really bitch, I was a PR0 once too. Some don't see it that way yet. It's the equal value exchange syndrome where one is scared to get less than he gives. Until this PR gauge is gone and people see linking a different way, it's goona be a cat and mouse game. PR doesn't change now, the hard time will be for the low PR sites compared to established sites that already show good PR, until this green gauge is gone. Then it's gonna be tools to figure PR and crap like this. If PR and decent BL display is gone, what's left ? A webmaster looking at an other site evaluating if he's goona look like a moron to his visitors if he's linking to it.