SERPs Checker

[bling]

Here's another tool that uses the Google API. This SERPs Checker (http://www.thinkbling.com/serps) checks the top search engine results from Google and shows you the Page Rank and number of Backlinks in each. This may be expanded to include other things such as number of keywords on each page and perhaps keyword density.

[bobmutch]

bling: McDar's Keyword Analysis Tool has been down for about 3 days now. They are doing a update. Your tool is very similar. I took the link out of McDar's Tool and put your tool in right above it. Here are a few suggestions for the tool.
1. Have the anchor text to the 10 sites the domain only and the fill URL in the title tag.
2. Show the average PR and Backlinks for the top 10.
3. Give the option for entry of an URL and show that URL and stats on the top.
4. Add allintitle, allinurl rankings.

[dilligaf]

Quick question, with the BL's being so F%^&ed up... what good is the BL check? The keyword pr tool (http://www.seo-guy.com/seo-tools/google-pr.php) here gives the pr without the API.

Sorry for the negative outlook... I just wonder about the whole mess of tools based on PR/BL's when we know that neither are being displayed accurately.

[bobmutch]

dilligaf: Lets say that the way Google displays BL's is devalued the same way for every site. If this is the case we can average the top ten Google displayed BL values for a certian key phrase and say this key phrase has a Google displayed BL aveage of X for the top ten sites for the key phrase we are targeting. If we want to get first page SERP on that key phrase then this is around what we will need.
The same for PR. We take the PR average for the top ten sites for the targeted key phrase and this gives us some what of an idea what we need in PR to get first page SERP.
So when we go and look at some key phrase like download and get the PR and BL's it gives us a rough idea of what we need to get first page SERP on downlaod. Top 10 average for downlaod is some thing like PR8.7 and average BL's is 108,000.
When I look at key phrases that I want to target the average PR and BL's give me some what of an idea if that key phrase is out of the range of the site that is considering targeting that keyword.

[dilligaf]

That would make sense if the initial assumption were correct in regard to quality and quantity and factored in/out the internals or that they showed the same % of internals for each URL. Kind of a stretch for me, have you done any research on sites that you're very familiar with?

[bobmutch]

dilligaf: Well I relize there is an if there, but when you are looking at targeting key phrases it seems to be a way to give one some kind of an idea whether the top keyword in their catagory is out of reach or not.
No I have not no detailed research to speak of.
What process would you suggest in considering the cost of targeted key phrases that would work better than what I am doing?

[jocelyn]

PR and BL tools are kind of useless lately. Saw a PR3 with 1350 backlinks...
Is it just a bug and it will fix itself ? I don't think so... but what do I know about google's plans...lol

[dilligaf]

Bob, I think I'm saying there's no easy answer or safe assumption... at least now. If they go ahead and update quarterly these types of tools will continue to be of value but IMO, that value is limited right now.

I don't have any suggestions other than I thought that you may have been taking some notes already (competitors BL's/PR/Sources) and seen evidence of such.

[bobmutch]

dilligaf: Well here is how I look at it. I put my my seo website last month. I looked that the keywords assocated with seo. I made my decision on what keywords to target based on the average BL and PR for the top 10.
Do I target the keyword seo. No, the average BL 13,745 and average PR is 7. Now there is no sense in my trying to target that keyword. You may say well common sense should tell you that. But ok what about pagerank, nope it has top 10 average PR of 6.3 and average BLs of 7,986.
So I go to Wordtracker and Overture and look for key phrases that includes the term pagerank and I pick a key phrase based on the BL's and PR of the average top 10 sites have for that keyword and also taking into considation what WordTracker and Overture say it is getting for searches.
Do you have a better way? When you make up your clients list of keywords he can target how do you make your decision on which ones he needs to target? How to you decide which key phrases are out of his reach and what ones they should be able to get high SERP in. If you don't take into consideration PR or BL's I would like to know how you do it.
No it is not an exact way of doing things but I feel there has to be some logic and reasoning done on picking key phases.

[seo guy]

you mean kind of like this bob ;-)
http://www.seo-guy.com/seo-tools/google-metainfo.php?act=go&keywords=seo&pdepth=1&rlimit=0

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Please do not link to that tool yet I am giving it a different filename and obviously new headers, right now I have it stuck in another tools frame :)

Oh yeah and I'm still working on getting the allinanchor: to work properly there is a scrape error somewhere, should be cool though

[seo guy]

As far as competition goes I never use PR to gauge it as I know I can beat a PR 8 with a PR 5, and that if I really wanted a PR 8 I could buy it to.

What really matters is comparing the real competition: Check out allintitle and allinanchor to see how many people are REALLY competing. Then of course evaluate the incidental results VS traffic to be gained the KEI as it were

Then check if the top have a dmoz listing or many authority site listings.

Finally check and see (Quick glance) how many of their bl's are coming from single domains... A site with 20k in backlinks all from the same site isnt much competition really, so dont be scared by the big #

[bobmutch]

seo guy: hehehe, very nice. Now how about a row at the bottom with the with the averages for each column (for allintitle, allinurl, allinanchor show what percend have it). Also how about putting Yahoo links in also with a linkdomain:domain.com column and then a linkdomain:domain.com -inurl:domain.com showing how many links there is when not counting the internal links.
The tool look nice. It would be a good BEST SEPT TOOL for next month.

[bobmutch]

seo guy: McDar's tool that I use has allinanchor which is really important, I think that allintitle is quite important also but a bit less, and then allinurl is less yet important. I do look at all of these of course.
I also do a yahoo linkdomian:domain.com -inurl:domain.com to weed out links from the same domain.
Also I look over the first 999 some times and see if other domains appear lots. Those get a -inurl:those.com also.
I just was analying a site that had over 17k of backlinks. After I worked on it for awhile, removing about 20 with -inurl:domain.com I ended up with less that 500 links. Interesting eh.
I agree, links from dmoz, yahoo directory and other directorys tell you alot. Relevant links with the anchor text the keyword, from sites with hi page reputation, and from many differnet domains is what counts.

[seo guy]

Only problem is the huge processing it already takes, I will touch base with some programming friends and see if I can not only keep it fast but implement your suggestions, sometimes though the server load can get pretty high and I havent tested it even with just these features yet. Keep the suggestions coming!

[QUOTE=bobmutch]seo guy: hehehe, very nice. Now how about a row at the bottom with the with the averages for each column (for allintitle, allinurl, allinanchor show what percend have it). Also how about putting Yahoo links in also with a linkdomain:domain.com column and then a linkdomain:domain.com -inurl:domain.com showing how many links there is when not counting the internal links.
The tool look nice. It would be a good BEST SEPT TOOL for next month.[/QUOTE]

[bobmutch]

seo guy: I have lots of ideas, not all of them are good but my head is full of ideas. I have offered my ideas to others and they usally do nothing with them, and it's not that they are bad ideas. If you put those ideas in that tool I will write you an article called "Best SEO Tool in the World." : )

Also with on the results page there could be a cost button that would inform a person what it would cost for their site to get on first page SERP for the term they just searched.
It would allow them to put their URL in and click the COST button. This could be a paid service. Paypal $2 and would go toward paying for the resouces of the tool they just used.

hrmm we could get a domain and make it a one page site www.best-seo-tool-in-the-world.com ehhehe what you think. ; )

[seo guy]

bump

[bobmutch]

sep guy: How come you bumped this one.

[seo guy]

Lol, so noone had to look at the last eyesore ;)

[bobmutch]

seo guy: LOL, ok you need to bump about 20 threads then.

[nrlatsha]

[QUOTE=seo guy]Lol, so noone had to look at the last eyesore ;)[/QUOTE]

Did you say something about eyesores? I coined that phrase back in the 80's and I want you to remove it from your site... Blatently stealing letters to form a word, when its clearly obvious I own that word. You might want to remove all the "an's" and "the's" from your site too, I had them first...

:p