Relevant???? Really????

[Adrian]

Now, I see this forum, marked "Relevant Link Exchanges", but actually, I get the feeling the forum really promotes spam.....

Why you may ask? Well, lets see......

I jsut got an email forwarded onto me from seokid@seo-guy.com asking for a recipricol link. Now aside from the fact that recip links seem to be causing problmes in places (I suggest you go and have a read of the Cre8asiteforums to find out about some of that), its not relevant to my companies business.

Ok, we sell software, and this email was spamming me asking about linking to sites about software. But we're a little more specific. We are the biggest reseller of Education Software in the UK. Yeah, thats EDUCATIONAL. i.e. we deal with schools and Local Education Authorities, not web masters and people who continue to use IE and need spyware removers.

Oh and a quick note, althought you're trying to tell me, a guy who's been a moderator at said Cre8asiteforums for 2 years, I don't even think you're right.

"Linking with our sites which we feel are very relevant from a search engines standpoint to your own will allow you to dramatically improve your search engine rankings, traffic and thus sales."

And, uh, yeah, so people finding our site, who are actually looking for things like mod_rewrite or a spyware remover are REALLY going to want to be presented with a site selling software for schools. So though we may see some increase in traffic, I doubt our sales, and therefore ROI would improve any. Thus you would be completely wrong.

As an aside form all of that, we already rank number 3 for the fairly competitive term "Educational Software" and have the kind of brand built up over 40 yrs of trading that I wouldn't exactly want to screw up by entering into spammy link exchanges with sites that are not relevant to ours. Even if it was relevant, you would need to be one of our suppliers or something for me to want to link to you, and for it to be done in a way that isn't spammy.

Anyone goto the SEO Roadshow at the weekend? Or was this forum not invited?

[wyrickj]

Please take a chill pill. SEO Kid was just asking for a related exchange with your site. and yes I said "Related"

See even though your site only sells education software it still makes sense to link exchange with a Spywear Remover site since it's a "Software" site. Does not really mater what kind of software. Though if you wanna be really picky and target only education software link exchanges it's fine but please don't say this is spam as SEO Guy is the best SEO out there.

[Adrian]

No, it's not related. We are SPECIFICALLY an Education reseller. We do have some home users, but the very very large proportion of our custom is from schools after software to teach kids with.

How the hell is spyware removal, mod_rewrite and logo creation going to help us sell educational software?

Newsflash, SEOGuy is certainly not the best SEO around.
I was in London with several of the best SEO's around at the weekend, would you like me to quote a few names? Certainly I'm nowhere near as good as most of those guys, but I don't think SEOGuy is either.....

Links is one thing, but then turning visitors into customers is another.
I'd rather have 50 less visitors a day but get a higher percentage of sales.

It's all about ROI, not rank.

[wyrickj]

Ahhh please do not cause a feight here. I don't think your getting the SEO / Link Building concept very well. How the heck you suposed to get an ROI without top rankings? Your wrong about "It's all about ROI, not rank."

Good rankings will give you a good ROI. Take this I exchange links with logo design and seo websites. Is that non-related links? Hell no. It's related webmaster links. Now if I exchange links with a viagra site that would be non-related. I have more then a year of SEO experiance so please do not feight with me or any SEO Guy staff.

I am telling you what SEO Kid emailed you is related.

[wyrickj]

Your site would never rank for "Spywear Remover"

Yes I agree if you were ranked for that then your conversion will be low. But what your doing is allowing Aluria Software to rank for "Spywear Remover" even better then without your link. It will not harm / damage your site, your sales, your life, etc.

[Adrian]

Ah now we get down to it. It's not about helping me at all, it's about helping Aluria :)

Something I've never heard of, and something that I'm not sure I want to promote, let alone whether our business wants to promote it.

If I was going to link to a spyware remover, I would link to one that I have used and like and think is worth linking to. That is afterall, the idea of linking, and the basis upon which PR is built. The idea that people link to sites they like. Not site's that will link back to them to try and give a PR boost. But then, as I mentioned in my first post, its even debatable these days whether straight forward link recips are even that useful.

Some theories suggest that in cases Google (and of course, this is only really targetted at Google) will not give the link as much weight, because it appears to just be a link of convienience. These straight forward, singular link recips are an example.

[dilligaf]

Adrian, So you get an e-mail from a member who works for SEO-Guy that burns your tail... and that leads you to the coclusion that the forum promotes spam? Help me out here... I've gotta be missing something, or....

[starbug]

WOW... You got an email looking for a link exchange!!!!

And that's spam?????

You obviously have been missing all the Nigerian scam spams, viagra sellers, top ranking for your website emails...

If a spyware site links to you, using your prefered anchor text, then I can't see how that does any harm.

As for SEO Guy being the best SEO, I don't think I have ever heard SEO-Guy make this claim, the only people I hear making those claims to be the best are people like Traffic Power :D

If you were in London with the best SEO's, then I would suggest that they were pulling your leg...

[Adrian]

Diliigaf, when the email says the following...

If you have any questions about linking, SEO or anything else please email me or stop by the SEO Forum at http://www.seo-guy.com/forum/

Then yeah, I tend to think the forum promotes whats being sent out.
If the forum doesn't perhaps the forum should stop people doing that....

You obviously have been missing all the Nigerian scam spams, viagra sellers, top ranking for your website emails...

And it's about as useful and relevant to me as those emails, particularly the "top ranking for your website" emails.

The person making the claim of SEOGuy being the best around was wyrickj in this thread.

So, uh, I was in a pub with Danny Sullivan, Ammon Johns, Mike Grehan, RCJordan, Peter Da Vanzo, Fantomaster, to name but a few, you think they were pulling my leg? haha

As I said before, it was an unsolicited email, that is irrelevant to our business. Therefore spam. I get enough other link exhange requests which would do no harm if I took them up on their offers right? Well, if I did that, I would have dozens of links to sites about products I've never used all over our website. Which makes it end up looking like some link farm or something and very unprofessional. Not good for branding, not good if I end up linking to a bad neighbourhood, and just something I don't want to do.
I'm not even tempted to link to Spybot, a spyware remover I actually use and like, because it ISN'T RELEVANT TO OUR BUSINESS.

If you're going to ask an Educational Software reseller about links, you better make it something to do with Educational Software in some form.

[dilligaf]

I think you're out of line. Anyone on any forum anywhere can send anything to anyone and use any reference with any recommendation they choose....

If you take issue with the Kids mail, I say you mail the kid!

[wlh]

[QUOTE=dilligaf]I think you're out of line. Anyone on any forum anywhere can send anything to anyone and use any reference with any recommendation they choose....

If you take issue with the Kids mail, I say you mail the kid![/QUOTE]

Im with you on that one dilligaf.

But I see where your coming from Adrian about how you would like to only link to educational sites, especially if you are already ranked highly on the search engines. It's fine if you dont want to do a link exchange with seokid. Simply tell him your not interested or ignor the email. I think you could have easily kept it between you, seokid, and seo guy.

Good luck to you and your site :)

[jlknauff]

Wow, maybe he should link to some prosac sites & see if it helps his anger management issues :p

[starbug]

@ Jeremy - LOL

Incidentally - I don't think this thread is relevant to this forum. This post should be in the General Chat thread...

SEO Kid should be heavily punished for having the audacity to request a link exchange with this guy... I mean whatever was he thinking, how dare he request a link exchange, anyone would think he was trying to increase his backlinks, which as everyone in SEO knows is spamming :rolleyes:

In that case I guess we are all spammers....

I think you could have easily kept it between you, seokid, and seo guy.

I agree... and besides it has nothing to do with SEO Guy... so posting in this forum complaining makes no sense whatsoever.

I guess this guy has a serious gripe about receiving link exchange requests... I wish I knew his site, so i could request a link too!!

[Adrian]

Someone with at least some sense, thankyou wlh.

"Simply tell him your not interested or ignor the email. I think you could have easily kept it between you, seokid, and seo guy."

Generally I add it to the spam list of address and ignore it. On the odd occasion I have replied to those link exchange emails, it either gets ignored, or bounces back. The link to the forum was a kind of slip up that couldn't fail.

It's a trick to try and look more feasible, the problem I have with people who try and lie to me about something I know a fair bit about, is that I tend to show them up a bit. It's all selective truths and trying to make it appear as something its not, trying to offer me virtually nothing, for something.

And yeah, I get a bit annoyed when I've spent the last 5 yrs learning about this stuff, and actually trying to help people understand it in a way that makes their site an effective selling tool that can build them a strong brand and online presence, and I then come to a place like this, where it seems the people who are running the forum are sending spam about not-relevant-enough to be useful link exchanges.

If you set this kind of thing up, you set yourself up as an authority, if you screw up, you have to expect people to pick you up on it. One look at our site would have made it very clear that it wasn't a suitable link exchange site, which then makes me think it was done with bots set to crawl around for sites and email addresses automatically. A very untargetted way of doing it, and the kind of things that a lot of people spend a lot of time trying to block.

The point of this all being, that perhaps a few members coming here and thinking sending untargeted spam emails is ok, may read this and think that perhaps spending a little more time on it, and doing it properly, might piss less people off, and produce better results. That's why I didn't just reply to the email calling him a spammer.

[dilligaf]

Adrian, For you to come here and say that this forum promotes spam because you received an unsolicited email that you didn't consider relevant is rediculous. That you can't acknowledge that fact speaks volumes.

[Adrian]

"In that case I guess we are all spammers...."

Yep, we had a big "seo=spam?" thread at cre8asite a long time ago, and in fact that was something that I discussed at the weekend, effectively all SEO is pretty much spam. Some is nicer than other though.

And, uh, it has alsorts to do with SEO Guy as it had this domain plastered all over the email.

I don't have a problem with someone looking at the site, thinking, ah, thats a site I like, it compliments my own site, I wonder if they would be interested in linking.

What I don't like is annoying bots crawling around finding badly targetted sites to send a mass email too and wasting my time asking if I want to link to an irrelevant set of site.

[complainer]

[QUOTE=wlh] I think you could have easily kept it between you, seokid, and seo guy.[/QUOTE]

Yes, he could have done that, but I suspect there is a hidden agenda here -- anyone else agree?

[spatters11]

Adrian,

I have been watching this thread with great interest and was not planning on replying, but I couldn't resist. I guess what everyone is saying and you seem to be missing is; if you think this forum is the source of the so called "spam" that you received then I guess you are giving us the O.K. to go to cre8asite and accuse them of spamming because you have that site's name plastered all over your posts here.

Come on now it was one email from one person and whether it was spam or not it did not originate from this forum and anyone one with any intelligence at all would be able to see that. I think this thread should either be deleted or moved because as Adrian says it must be "spam" because it has nothing to do with a relevant link exchange! :useforce:

[wyrickj]

I was saying SEO Guy is the best because I have talked to him and he sounds very kind and a great man. Not saying he's the worlds best but if I were to go somewhere I would go with SEO Guy over SEO Inc.

[Adrian]

LOL, I guess this is why there is so much spam around, people convince themselves what they do is not spam, then don't like it when it gets called spam.

"I suspect there is a hidden agenda here -- anyone else agree?"

Such as? please amuse me. The only hidden agenda going on is sending emails to make out like something really goods being offered, when actually they are only after something themselves.

Funny how my work domain has a PR of 6, according to the hazy Googlebar, and it attracts a lot of spam link requests don't you think?

" giving us the O.K. to go to cre8asite and accuse them of spamming because you have that site's name plastered all over your posts here."

Er, yeah, and of course, the 2 things are excatly the same....
Note I only mentioned cre8, I didn't link to it, I didn't put a link in my sig or anything, just mentioned it as a reference. If you thinks that spamming then I can quite easily accuse you all of double standards. In fact, that was one of the points I picked up for the rules, about no link drops, uh huh....

Tomorrow I'll see about posting the email in full, and you can decide then whether it implies quite an association with the forum or not. If someone sent an email like it and was putting in links to cre8asite instead, I'd be wanting to stop them as I wouldn't want to be associated with people who send badly targetted spam like that.

It does tend to suggest that its the kind of thing the forum is about, as it suggests I discuss the link request here at the forums. Thats tends to imply its the kind of thing thats discussed here, and promotes. That may be wrong, but there's quite a heavy association going on, especially when they say they are contacting me on behalf of SEO Guy effectively.

I don't expect you to agree with me. I've come here to your forums, slagged it off effectively, its only natural that you're going to gang up against me and defend it. I don't mind, it doesn't make the email any less spam.

[spatters11]

Adrian,

I still think you're missing the point. The email did NOT come from Seo-Guy! Assuming that it was "spam", which we don't know because none of us have seen the email, it was only from an individual that happens to frequent this forum. Are you seriously telling us that if we sent out link exchange emails and for whatever reason included a link to YOUR website that would mean that your website was responsible for the "spam" email. Of course it wouldn't mean that and I think that is what most of the posts here are trying to say. I don't think anyone is really ganging up on you either, they are just trying to understand how an email from someone that does not work for Seo-Guy or otherwise has anything to do with the business other than being a forum member has anything to do with making Seo-Guy's forum responsible for the so-called "spam".

If anything you should have sent Seo-Guy an email and just asked that individuals should not send out emails that include a link to his website that seems to imply that they have something to do with the company itself and that most likely would have taken care of the problem. :D

[jlknauff]

In any case, why are we all wasting time replying to this crap? All that's doing is keeping this garbage post at the top of the section, eating bandwidth and encouraging someone who obviously has a lot of free time to talk ish about real SEO experts.

Adrian, don't hate, man, you could learn something around here. Relax.

Let's all do each other a favor and drop this post. We all have better things to do.

[wyrickj]

If you read the first post it says "seokid@seo-guy.com" sent the email. SEO Kid is not a spammer. He's a good link builder for SEO Guy. Anything coming from the seo-guy.com domain should not be considered spam anyways unless someone hijacked the SMTP server using relays but would think relays are closed - Most are.

[wyrickj]

I agree with jlknauff - Adrian needs to learn a bit of SEO before he goes nuts. Lets stop posting in this shall we :confused:. Adrian I recommend you reading some of SEO Guy's tutorials around here to learn a bit more information about links and how each other can benifit from it.

[QUOTE=jlknauff]In any case, why are we all wasting time replying to this crap? All that's doing is keeping this garbage post at the top of the section, eating bandwidth and encouraging someone who obviously has a lot of free time to talk ish about real SEO experts.

Adrian, don't hate, man, you could learn something around here. Relax.

Let's all do each other a favor and drop this post. We all have better things to do.[/QUOTE]

[seo guy]

Spatters I hate to say it but Adrian has a legitimate complaint and one that I shall try to address.

#1: SEO Kid does work for me and does link exchanges for me.

#2: SEO Kid is a member of this forum

#3: SEO Kid did reference this forum in his email (I haven’t actually seen it but I will take Adrian’s word for it)

All of these things I am responsible for as I have employed SEO Kid to gather reciprocal link exchanges for our clients. I thank you all for defending me and this site as we you know we do not promote spam here on this forum (Adrian feel free to read as much as you like here) but I am responsible as SEO Kid has been given an seo-guy email address and does work for me.

Adrian if you feel it was an unsolicited email I apologize.

It was not however a bot that hit your site as we do link exchange emailing differently here. I train my staff to choose phrases such as "kw + link exchange" "kw + link to us" etc so that we avoid the unsolicited claim. My rationale being if someone has a links page and are requesting link exchange on their site, they are openly soliciting response.

Now my staff are also supposed to check and make sure the website does link exchange, if not they are not supposed to mail. If it is the case that you do in fact not have a links page again I apologize, that mail should never have been sent.

As to whether you feel it is personally relevant or whether an SE feels it relevant, I'm sorry here is where we disagree. If your education software website got a backlink from a "logo design software" site (Which fits into the software category) and the anchor text to your site was "Education Software" I GUARANTEE that would benefit your rankings for the kw phrase "education software" which would bring in sales and thus is a viable marketing tactic (No one said we were trying to rank you for "logo design software" or "Spyware removal software" the fact is there is a relevance thread of software between the 2 sites and that link exchange would benefit both parties from a SERPS standpoint.

As for the forum being included in the email that was also my doing. Our links managers often get many people asking us what anchor text is, or why not just put the URL in the link etc and the intent was to have them directed here for those questions so that they could be answered and thus would have a better grasp of how to use their own links pages and reciprocal linking to help improve their ranks, so no we don’t just want to help our clients, we want to help our link partners as well.

Adrian, I will be speaking with SEO Kid on this matter however the end responsibility does still fall on me, and I accept this fully, and again my apologies if you have no links page or do not solicit link exchange. I must say though you are the first person in 9 months of SEO kid working for me, to complain, perhaps he misses one or 2 sites and sees a links page where there actually isnt one, but I'll take that hit, he does a great job contacting relevant link partners and is kind and courteous to every one of them.

However I do want to state that I do profess and care about relevance, I do not condone spamming of other websites and most of all I value my clients success in the search engines and subsequently their sales and profits more then any other SEO’s opinion of my tactics. I may be the worst SEO in the world to the “best seos” but as long as my clients are happy and profitable, so am I

[bluesaga]

Hello,
I usually just browse these forums but i have to post here! Well basically, how can a link exchange request be spam, it would not be a bot that crawls the internet for link exchanges. Especially not from link exchanges, i talk to seoKid every now and then and he is a nice guy! If you didnt want to do a link exchange either delete it and ignore it. I highly doubt you will get another email stating exactly the same thing! SEO-Guy is a highly respected company among the seo business. Also just because you have a PR 6 dont think your the man, sorry but your not end of story! Several of my sites have it and it doesnt make me think any different!

Just my two cents!

[wyrickj]

Great post SEO Guy. Just don't want your business falling into a garbage can. I respect every staff at SEO Guy even though I do my own SEO but I still care for his team.

[spatters11]

Seo-Guy/Adrian,

Well it appears that I stand corrected! I didn't know that SeoKid worked for Seo-Guy and that the email actually came from the seo-guy domain. So for that I apologize. I guess the moral of this story is that everyone shouldn't get so worked up over an link exchange email. At least it wasn't a Viagra site asking for an exchange with a software site. :o

I still believe, however, that as long as the site is actively seeking link exchanges with a link page that if the topic is similar such as selling software it will help your site's rankings when it comes to improving your allinanchor for your key word phrase. So, even if you receive no relevant traffic from the link to your page you will still benefit when the search engines rank you higher for the search term you are targeting.

Well, that's it for me! I will leave this forum to go on to something far more constructive. :rolleyes:

[seo guy]

I agree (Sort of the point I was trying to make above)

[QUOTE=spatters11] I still believe, however, that as long as the site is actively seeking link exchanges with a link page that if the topic is similar such as selling software it will help your site's rankings when it comes to improving your allinanchor for your key work phrase. So, even if you receive no relevant traffic from the link to your page you will still benefit when the search engines rank you higher for the search term you are targeting.
[/QUOTE]

The only issue is if they dont have a link page then I owe them an apology which I happily offer.

[wlh]

[QUOTE=Adrian]
As an aside form all of that, we already rank number 3 for the fairly competitive term "Educational Software" and have the kind of brand built up over 40 yrs of trading that I wouldn't exactly want to screw up by entering into spammy link exchanges with sites that are not relevant to ours.
[/QUOTE]

I'm assuming this is google we are talking about. If so, it looks like that your site is strictly an education software directory and I can see why we would be offended by having someone who has nothing to do with "educational" software would contact you. Because there would be no place suited for a logo or virus software listing. (Since you do not run a normal links page)

All else said and done, SEO guy is right about his wrong doing if there wasnt an active link exchange they should not send the e-mail. Actually if the #3 website Im looking at for google is yours, your submission page states that you currently arn't accepting submissions.

Anyways, Im glad we got this resolved and it looks like we are all on the same page here.

Good luck to everyone and their sites :)

[complainer]

[QUOTE=wlh]Actually if the #3 website Im looking at for google is yours, your submission page states that you currently arn't accepting submissions.
[/QUOTE]
Until we do know what page he is talking about, we are all making assumptions. I would point out, though, that while that #3 site you reference currently says it is not accepting submissions, it recently said:

Do you know of a link that should be on our site? Just e-mail us the URL along with a description and what you think would be the most appropriate category for us to place it in.

(See, if you like, http://web.archive.org/web/20040208222957/http://www.educational-software-directory.net/index.html and click on "suggestions" at the bottom.)

Some might consider that an open invitation to submit links. I think we would all like to know exactly what site Adrian is talking about and exactly what was said in that email, because it seems there are a lot of accusations flying around.

I'm also curious to know what brand of educational software has been around since 1964.

[seo guy]

hmm
"Terrapin Software - publishes a small variety of software related to Logo."
is in the multimedia category,

if I were looking for logo software link exchange I would certainly consider submitting after seeing that, (Granted that logo is actually a learning software, at first glance it really looks like they exchange links with a "software related to logo"

I mean cmon this is stupid the honesty in the mistake is blatant (assuming educational-software-directory.net is your site)

[seo guy]

also,

Do you have any ideas on how to make the Educational Software Directory better? If you do and would like to share please send them to webmaster@educational-software-directory.net

That is solicited if I have ever seen it. I'm starting to think the appology was premature. I see no issue here.

That would be like me going off on some poor kid hired to get "Web hosting" links because he emailed me and I found him not to be 100% relevant to "seo"

[Adrian]

"Adrian if you feel it was an unsolicited email I apologize."

Thankyou, thanks for the explanation.

"the first person in 9 months of SEO kid working for me, to complain"

I would probably put that down to the number of people out there who actually have much understanding of SEO, and also have my feelings on linking. As you may have noticed, I'm not one who tends to like linking for the sake of linking. Aside from the ranking benefit you can get from links, I prefer to actually link to sites and pages that I like and am happy to recommend, or at least have some kind of proper business relationship with. That would appear to be the main difference between many views here and my own....

In light of your message, I'll avoid further agro by responding to many of the comments made since, though I would just like to clear up one point......

" Adrian needs to learn a bit of SEO before he goes nuts." from wyrickj

Funny you should say that, I had a very interesting day of log analysing yesterday. I'll not link to it, but if you really want to see the site of the company I work for, do a search for rem and look for the only educational software mention on the first page of Google results.
When I started, it already had that rank for that term, though you wouldn't know, because the description being picked up was blank... But rather than try and concentrate on improving the ranking for terms like that or just "educational software", despite it being a fairly major keyphrase for us, I've gone a lot broader than that.

In March this year, before I'd barely done anything to the site, we got probably an average of about 100 visits a day from Google. Now it's more like 650 and rising. Overall visitors were around 800 per day, now its more like 1500 and rising.

Those results cover a VERY broad spectrum of terms related to many of our products.

I do think I have some idea of SEO :)

On that note, and in light of SEO Guys apology, I'll drop it.

[wyrickj]

I am sure you know a bit of SEO Adrian. I was refering to maybe you did not understand why linking matters in Google's Eyes.

[Adrian]

Ugh, you really want to carry this on?

Linking matters to Google, yeah, the whole principle of PR is based on linking, the number of links you have and the authority of those links, at a simplistic level. There are also other things going on there now though, for these exact reasons, there are ideas that straight forward links recips are not offering the boost they used to, that site's with lots of links in, but few links out are not getting the same PR they used to. Google is trying to counter the tricks. Some people even say PR isn't part of it anymore!

There are also a lot of other factors that affect your ranking, and there's a great deal besides your rank in an engine that affects how succesful your website is. SEO is one piece of the jigsaw. And there are also other search engines around.

[seo guy]

Sent by a member, not to drag this out, but it was just so damn well written I had to post it.

This has been interesting because one doesn't always get to see how people function in arguments that aren't face-to-face. You'd think things would get really nasty, seeing as how people in the forum aren't totally answerable for their behaviour, but it was nice to see how mature most people remained. I guess it's a mark of the quality of our forum. I was impressed by the lack of a pecking party - a singular outsider entered an established family home and shit on the floor. The residents might have been expected to eviscerate him - but this family explained pretty politely why it doesn't appreciate the smell of poo.
Forgive me if I can't be quite as polite. At least, if I rant a little, Adrian will probably not see it, since I imagine he has better things to do with his important, successful site than to continue reading our posts, especially after he got SEO Guy to eat crow. (Kudos to SEO Guy for remaining so calm and adult - I happen to know he has a fearsome temper and shoulders like baby dolphins.)
While many of Adrian's complaints were legitimate, his arrogance and pretentiousness struck a chord in me. As heat started to rise to my face (my favourite was when he "reluctantly" name-dropped his rockstar pub-mates), I had to find a way to come to terms with the situation or risk being moved emotionally. So I did the same thing I did when, as a fishmonger, I was working adjacent to a business whose owner styled himself the protector of the parking lot rules. This man would notify anyone who parked in his parking lot, if he felt they didn't belong (ie weren't visiting his business), that he would call a tow-truck if they didn't move their car. As with Adrian, he had a valid complaint but lacked subtlety in his handling of the situation. He even approached an old lady struggling to get out of her car - she had a walker (one of those things the elderly often use to hold themselves upright). I'm not prepared to vilify Adrian as much as the "parking Nazi", as we came to call him, but I reach the same conclusion in my attempt to understand his disproportionate investment in the situation:
When someone has no confidence in the amount of control they exercise in their home life, they try to assert it elsewhere. Who can blame them?
There. Maybe that will help others like me who came out of this thread with more frustration than understanding.

[jlknauff]

Adrian, if this forum and it's members are so below you, why don't you just leave? You clearly have nothing better to do than keep comming back trying to insult the members here.

[Cygnus]

[QUOTE=Adrian"Go to any webmaster forum with a professional membership of search engine consultants and ask for a reference, or better yet, don't even mention my name. Simply post I am looking to hire a great SEO Consultant, an SEO God! Can you recommend someone?" if the name SEO Guy doesn't come up, you aren't at a very good forum :-)[/QUOTE]

I don't like to get involved in this sort of thing since I do believe it should be between, seo guy, seo kid, and adrian; however, I did want to point out that the seo guy referencing is not just marketing speak, it is a reality. You mentioned cre8asite in one of your previous posts...I haven't been there in a while, but if you opened a thread and asked the members, more than likely at least one would reference seo guy, so long as cre8asite hasn't become one of the "onsite factors are everything" forums.

I wish you the best of success Adrian; I just wish you would have handled this more discreetly. Please take this discussion private guys.

Cygnus

[seo guy]

oops meant to hit Quote and I hit Edit sorry Adrian ahha

[seo guy]

"Go to any webmaster forum with a professional membership of search engine consultants and ask for a reference, or better yet, don't even mention my name. Simply post I am looking to hire a great SEO Consultant, an SEO God! Can you recommend someone?" if the name SEO Guy doesn't come up, you aren't at a very good forum :-)

Actually if you look at this post http://www.seo-guy.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-221.html you will see it was a joke, I dont think Im an seo god,

"he's like so you think your an SEO God, hmmm you dont even rank for it lol, just joking around and so I said Oh yeah, within 7 days I will rank #1 and #2 for SEO God and I did up some mods on a page just to prove it lol and it worked "

Read the post, I am not professing that Im a god Im just having a little fun with a client because its my nature. I also did the same thing for http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=seo+prick :)

You really do need to retract your spam statement though Adrian cause we did more digging and it turns out you were contacted off a search for "logo software" which is what www.thelogocreator.com is and going down the list a little further is http://www.terrapinlogo.com/ which you link to from this page http://www.educational-software-directory.net/multimedia/ which is nothing more then a directory, and it is a directory with a suggestions link right under that link which goes to this page http://www.educational-software-directory.net/suggest.html now if you read the first paragraph there is this solicitation for an email:

Do you have any ideas on how to make the Educational Software Directory better? If you do and would like to share please send them to webmaster@educational-software-directory.net.

Now I would not read any further if I were a links manager instead I would click on the email and email my link exchange letter. Thus would miss the "Due to the large volume of link requests, we are currently not accepting link submissions at this time. However, this is subject to change in the near future"

You claim you dont do link exchange whereas you clearly do, you just have suspended at this time because of "volume" not because you dont do it.

Then I saw this http://web.archive.org/web/20040213123825/www.educational-software-directory.net/suggest.html and realized you were soliciting links

in fact you clearly state
"Submitting Links
Do you know of a link that should be on our site? Just e-mail us the URL along with a description and what you think would be the most appropriate category for us to place it in."

I was nice when I thought there was even the remotest possibilty that one of my team spammed you, but this is cleary NOT the case.

So Adrian, go back to Cr8 and get off your high horse noone here is claiming to be "whiter then white" especially not me, but for some reason you are foolish enough to think that would be some quality to aspire to. Lol

I suggest you go away before I sponsor a new SEO contest for "Educational Software" :useforce:

[seo guy]

Sorry Cygnus to many people read this thread to not post that publically the guys got my back up now, I'll let him read it and then close the thread.

[Cygnus]

It is your forum after all. :)

[seo guy]

And it is general chat I guess, :) Im sure he will go away {shrug}

So what you think Cyg we gunna have NHL this year? Gretzky buys the Coyotes and now no ice :( what up with that!

WARNING BLATANT SUBJECT CHANGE ALERT!!!! 8-|

[Cygnus]

When it comes to sports, I follow baseball...which is pretty bad if you happen to live in Arizona.

As for the NHL...beats the heck out of me; I heard about the lockout, but don't know the current labor situation -- for the sake of the future viewership, they better resolve it soon...otherwise the only sport you'll have on ice is curling. My buddy actually does the commercials for the Coyotes; I should probably pay more attention to them.

Cygnus

[Igotrealestate]

Adrian- I do have to comment.. this is one of the most amusing threads I've read.. So you get a link request and the short bus drops you off at the wrong bus stop...You must still have your hopes set up on receiving 25 million dollars from the late Mistress of the Nigeria govenment...With all the energy you have over an email.. I think you need to get out more....or maybe take 5 deep breaths. For that backlink maybe that would of place you at the number 2 in serps, but you'll never know, your to busy posting instead of creating new links..

[Arizona Web]

I would like to point out that I am better than Adrien. I was hanging out with some people that I don't want to tell you about. People named Micheal Bolton, President Bush (who I call Bushy because we go way back), Kid Rock, Cher, and SEO-Child. Bushy was funny because he was telling me that he did some recip link exchanges with the government site he is running and now he ranks really well for "miserable failure (check it out) miserable failure (http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=miserable+failure) ". Man that Bushy knows his SEO way more than the dinosaurs.

That reminds me, links don't work, but bolded text and italics do. I guy from comp USA told me that... and computers are related to web design which is related to SEO so this guy realy knew his shit.

I obviously am a web design God (http://www.mcpmedia.com/). Metascooper ranks my site 61 for that phrase. Danny Sullivan was rubbing my feet at his mom's house when he told me about using the meta refresh tag to get high results. Now I have a client. But he gets real mad when I sent him and email asking him to be my client. I get more than 50 hits a day in my logs when highrankings said that I can look at htem. 26 years ago man... 26 years ago I invented email so back off. I hate SEO Guy for my life's misery. Know what sucks, only the highly regarded old guys rank high for really cool terms like

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&q=seo+company
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=seo+consultant&ei=UTF-8&fr=FP-tab-web-t-145&cop=mss&tab=
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=SMCRT&q=seo

All those cool guys can be found on my list of people that like me but I didn't want to tell you about it.

[jlknauff]

Arizona, you're a trip man :p

[Arizona Web]

how what, I don't do drugs but I just read that post from last night and I swear I must have been high. lol

[dirtdog1960theone]

Run along junior. You are spamming seo guys forum trying to get posters to go to your cheesy forum and create some content. Not. I visited createhate forum and you are so cheesy that you don't even give posters a searchable sig link.

You use that cheesy php link thingie www,CretinHateforums,com/redirect/jump.php?url=%2Fwww.signature.link2F%2F%.

What? Nobody will link to you so you have to cheat your members out of a link? Pitiful.

A link request is a spam? To quote Bugs Bunny "Watta maroon."

:fuct:

[Cygnus]

I actually don't have any problems with cre8asite...I haven't used it in a while, but it was a decent forum from what I could remember.

[rizla]

this is truly a very educational (software) thread ...