What Keyword Density is too high

[BlkJack]

While reviewing my results I noticed that some of the keyword phrases are not doing as well as others. I used some new tools and found that some of my phrases are repeated quite a few times.


Q. Keyword Phrases - How many times is too much?

Q. Keyword Density - What density is too high?

[jocelyn]

Read your text and ask yourself. Do I sound senile and like I'm repeting the same thing over and over. After you read it, if you wonder, am I spamming, usually, you are. People talk of 2.5 - 8 % as being acceptable. A bot would see something like this :

xx xxxx keyword xxxx xx xxxx xxx xxxxxxx xxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxxx keyword xxx xx xxxxxxx xxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx xx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxxxxx xxx xxxxx xxx xxxx xx keyword xxxxx xxxxx xxx xxxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxx keyword.

xx keyword xxxx xxxx xx keyword xxx xxxxx xxxx xxxxxxx keyword xxx xxxxx xxxx xxxx keyword xxxx xxxxx xxxxxx xxxxx keyword xxxx xxxxxxx xxxxx keyword xxxx xxx xxxx keyword xxxx xxxxxxx keyword xxxx xxxxx xxxxx keyword

Obviously, keyword is omnipresent on the second example, even too present. Ususally just reading your text will tell you if you sound like an old scratched record.

[BlkJack]

I think you are right Jocelyn about the search engines looking for a natural time sentences like:

xx xxxx keyword xxxx xx xxxx xxx xxxxxxx xxx xxxxxx xxxx xxxxxx keyword xxx xx xxxxxxx xxx xxxxxx xxxxxxx xxx xxxx xx keyword xxxxx xxxxx xxx xxxxxxx xxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxx keyword.


I was wondering why some of my sub-pages were doing worse in the rankings than my home page, even though the sub-page is heavily optomized. Many of the sub pages have mostly tables and menus. It also makes sense because the search engines would lessen the impact of reciprocal link directories.

I am going to try adding a paragraph or two to some of my pages.

[Cygnus]

Well, don't neglect linking directly to those sub-pages. Keyword density is an important issue to address, but my guess is that the home page gets all your IBLs...mix it up a bit by getting links directly to those sub-pages (if you haven't already).

Cygnus

[BlkJack]

Thanks Cygnus

That was my other question that I actually posted on another board this morning (home page vs sub pages incoming links). I have mixed things up in the past but the one disadvantage came 6 months later when I changed some of the page names.

I will definately take your advice and hope that my memory is better over the next 6 months. :nap:

I am starting to see SEO clearly.

[eitemiller]

Joc said 2.5% - 8% and I wanted to add - that's pretty liberal. Many numbers I have seen are closer to 3%-7%. But IMO, the bottom line is start low, and see what that gets you. Then slowly work your way up.

[BlkJack]

When density is discussed, do they mean the density of the visible text?

I noticed that many of the tools available calculate density including non-visible text such as link titles, alt text, page titles...

[eitemiller]

That's affirmitve. Let's say my keyword was scrub warehouse. And let's let (this is minimized-tiny scale) this here was my index page for that keyword:

text text text text scrub warehouse text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text scrub warehouse text text text text text text text text text text text scrub warehouse text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text scrub warehouse text text text text text text text text text

Now I aint gonna do the math on that. I'm playing some Texas Hold 'em right now. But - if you tried to do two keywords in the same amount of text like:

text text scrub warehouse text text text text text widgets text text text text text text text text text widgets text text text text scrub warehouse text text text text text text text text widgets text text text scrub warehouse text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text scrub warehouse text text text text widgets text text

well, it's gonna be harder. percentages drop. You need content for multiple keywords.

[Andy_f]

look at this forum, a tun of "SEO" on the first page

[g00gl3r]

Yup,

I have always tried to get the keyword at about 3% then extra keywords as bold, italique, different colour and H tags.. just incase it does push it up and get counted.

I am actually just starting on a new underfloor heating site so we can run any tests on it if anybody does want to test this.

[murugan]

to rank well first check the keyword density of your competitors and make sure that you are also almost have that much of density and moreover keep in mind that Backlinks with anchor text plays a vital role for top rankings.

[ben anderson]

From what I saw, Yahoo is more acceptable towards higher keyword densities. Moreover, some very high rank sites on Yahoo are really nothing but spam. It seems to work fine on Yahoo.
Was some penalized because of using KW density of more than 8% in Google?

[eitemiller]

[QUOTE=Andy_f]look at this forum, a tun of "SEO" on the first page[/QUOTE]

Yea, I am not going to count that, and don't have a toolf or it. Kinda curious as to what percentage that is. But note how there is a lot of verbage to back it up, ya know? Look at all the things that don't say "SEO"

[BlkJack]

I saw a tool a while back that gave density of "visible text". Can't find it now. :huh:

Does anyone know of a good tool that doesn't count all the title and alt text.

[seojedi]

Don't be overly concerned with keyword density. Make sure your keyword is in the text, but focus more on well written, useful content. That's what all SE's and users want.

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=BlkJack]Does anyone know of a good tool that doesn't count all the title and alt text.[/QUOTE]
This one let you select what you want and other things... don't really use that, but it's the best I've seen to do it.

http://www.ranks.nl/cgi-bin/ranksnl/spider/spider.cgi?lang=

[rizla]

Another web detailed tool that lets you choose what interests you:

http://www.jimworld.com/tools/keyword-analyzer/

[mattmdesign]

www.keyworddensity.com tells you percentages for visible text, description, link text, etc. and also tells you the total of the entire page.

[sd006]

[QUOTE=mattmdesign]www.keyworddensity.com tells you percentages for visible text, description, link text, etc. and also tells you the total of the entire page.[/QUOTE]

what does "Reference_Tags" mean?

[BlkJack]

Thanks Guys. The one that jocelyn recommended seems to give the best info.

[mattmdesign]

[QUOTE=sd006]what does "Reference_Tags" mean?[/QUOTE]

no idea.

[eclipse]

2%-4% in visable text works for me ;]

[mattmdesign]

I just figured out that "reference tags" means href's.

[g00gl3r]

I said 3%, so I agree. And lol @ the href :p

[Uchida]

I think 3 % as being acceptable.
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