Recips

[dilligaf]

Is there any reason to believe that reciprocal links will be discounted or penalized in the near future?

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=dilligaf]Is there any reason to believe that reciprocal links will be discounted or penalized in the near future?[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sceptical about this... Most my links were reciprocal and had a PR5 site that ranks pretty much the same as my PR6 home and subpages now.
Lets say I get tons of hits from a site... visit the site and see it's linking to me.
The site is excellent and I decide to link to it... Now I would lose doing this?
If I was Google, I'd expect a lot of non SEO dudes to just do that, just like when I started to make my site.
If I was Google, I'd expect that people would email each other to exchange links and that most would live audit the other site. Do you think I link to crap sites ? (except nigritude ultramarine)
If I was Google I would use this free man power and look for an other trigger to determine that these links are a scam... like a 1000 links to a site in a few days...
Maybe they are devaluated... but unless you buy or have excellent content, one way links would be hard to get.

[dilligaf]

I agree for the most part, although it would seem to me to make a helluva lot more sense than penalizing links.xxx (if that's logical anything is). I just see recips as an easy target and like you, it would rock my boat too.

I'm just curious as to the possibility, and if it's real to try to focus more on three ways. It's amazing to me but I'll run into someone with a few decent sites and ask them... I'll link to A - B links to me, I'll link to C - D links to me. Everytime they seem to want one to ones. Maybe a recip penalty is not a realistic possibility.

Thanks

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=dilligaf]I agree for the most part, although it would seem to me to make a helluva lot more sense than penalizing links.xxx (if that's logical anything is).[/QUOTE]
Most ordinary webmaster that just do a site will put the links anywhere on their page.
Most SEO will create a page to diminish the PR transfer toward sites and lose less of it. Most of the time the pages are named links. Been there.
Now if the majority of pages called links are a way of linking to bunch of sites for legitimate or wrong reasons... why not.
You are left with a higher density of I link from the pages content sites like NASA, .EDU ... so better results.

[relaxzoolander]

dilligaf---
that web design site of yours is about as 'no frills' as they get.
8-|

[Robert]

[QUOTE=relaxzoolander]dilligaf---
that web design site of yours is about as 'no frills' as they get.
8-|[/QUOTE]

I suspect/hope that this is a test/work in progress, otherwise email and/or some way to contact you for business has become a frill. :eek:

But on the plus side, you do have to admit it is clean and easy to read, and won't generate any additional spam (or other emails) in your inbox.

[dilligaf]

RelaxZoolander, Robert, No frills is right. Actually it took awhile for my last new one to pick up any steam so I figured I'd throw something out there and just let it sit, as opposed to stting on my PC. Threw some relevant text up in a page structure that should be consistent so that when I get the time at least the pages will have been indexed. (That's still a problem on the other new one for YAYhoo some 2000 pages indexed by Google & 180 on Yahoo)

But then again I may keep it this way, no spam, no annoying customer inquiries, no books, no accounting....

[Robert]

[QUOTE=dilligaf]
But then again I may keep it this way, no spam, no annoying customer inquiries, no books, no accounting....[/QUOTE]

I have had businesses that sound like that.

Of course, one of the other things on that list was no income. Once that item was added to the list the others didn't sound as great. :o

Good luck once you do start to work it, and good idea. I have done something simmilar with a few new domains I will be working with in the future to get a head start on the sandbox fun.

[dilligaf]

Robert, Thanks. I think it's the way to go (posting early). I'm just hoping it doesn't end up as "the mechanic's car". (my mechanic gets my car running fine but drives the biggest P.O.S. around).

I don't expect to make any real money on it anyway, I think it will be more of a resource for my users (tut's/links etc) or maybe to cop a few links and learn a few things. The beauty of it is, it really doesn't have to be anything. I can do stuff, try stuff... knowing that everything will advance the cause, but being able to take the time to quantify things.

My first project will be directories. I've got a few mega-lists and I want to categorize them. Before I go to submitting though I have to make the site at least presentable (in the event that anyone actually looks). I have a prejudice that all one way's are good regardless of PR. I've been rebuffed on occassion by "why would I submit if the PR sucks", this gives me the oppotunity to know... at least for now.

A thought. I'm gonna be doing/classifying manual directory submissions for sites listed on Spherica I-IV, ISEDB and any others that may be posted (I have a couple of lists that have been posted elsewhere). I have a web design, two education, and two sports pages. I could submit other sites while I'm there for a decent link to my most appropriate site provided that you didn't link back for at least 5-8 weeks (so I can see if the directory submissions matter, see what it's doing in 10-12 weeks with no other influence, and then to try to quantify the BL's before seeking recips) If there's not a few, I'll do directories then recips.

In any regard I'll make sure I post the directories/cost/classification here. Please post any directory lists in this thread. Thanks

PS - Others posting early, IMO, should focus on links straight away.

[Flash]

[QUOTE=jocelyn] If I was Google I would use this free man power and look for an other trigger to determine that these links are a scam... like a 1000 links to a site in a few days...[/QUOTE]

I did the same if I'd be Google and this will for sure be one of the near future implementations. I described my basic ideas about an algorithm who would analyze the amount of reciprocal link growth to detect unusual link growth in this posting (http://www.seo-guy.com/forum/showthread.php?t=695) . Sorry for my bad English, you might not understand me very well since I am from Germany.

Best regards ;)

[I, Brian]

I don't at all believe that general link exchanges are tripped by any penalty - though if you use link exchange software set up in default mode, and/or name links pages as "link pages" then really you're asking for trouble.

I hope the forum staff don't mind my posting this, but I wrote what should hopefully present a general "do's and don't" guideline for link exchanging that some may find useful:
http://www.seo-lab.com/webmaster-articles/link-exchange-webmasters.php