What happened to Bluefind?

[rage]

I know most people suggest this is a must for pay for inclusions... Possibly because most pages had high PR, and you were getting bang for your buck.

My question is. Did anyone have a Bluefind listing, and if so what PR did you pay for on your page? and what PR do you have now?

Has the directory communicated the nature of the penalty to you, and offered reimbursement or additional listings to make up for the large drop in PR?

Would you recommend this directory now that it appears to have been heavily penalised?

Would you expect that this is just the tip of the iceberg and Google is going to go on a directory duck hunt and blow them all out of the water?

I'm interested in knowing and understanding pay for inclusion directories.

[dilligaf]

Rage, I have several listings in Blue Find and realize that they have been having some difficulty for the last 2-3 months with Google.

I have not been offered an explanation nor have i sought one. Whenever PR is used as the guage as the value of a link there's the understanding that how it's calculated and how it's applied could change tomorrow as it's beyond anyones control.

I'm not sending any new submissions there, for the time being, but don't sweat the $50 because in the big picture it's just a drop in the bucket. If they get it straightened out I'll be right back on the band wagon and in any event I've had some good links there for some time so I feel I've gotten my moneys worth.

[bobmutch]

rage: I have a PR4 in bluefind and there is 35 external links. I added to both www.bluefind.com and www.sevenseek.com . I got a PR5 on sevenseen with 17 external outbounds.

While I don't regreat adding my site those those directories I would be more inclined to add my self to directories that allow keyword rich links, and multi links. Here is a list of good multi link directories that I am in.

www.bCenteral ($50yr) [10 links - 9 keyword rich title] 52,900 pages
www.uncoverthenet.com ($39) [5 links - keyword rich titles] 144,000 pages
www.allwebdirectory.com ($15) [5 links] 55,800 pages

I had to remove 4 directories. One had no pages, one had javascripted the links pages and they don't look like there are being crawled, one had 7 pages in Google. The other one has a free submission that gives you the same number of links.

I think the idea of getting into directories for PR vote doesn't make much sense.
Even my DMOZ links I have are only a PR4/158 and PR5/1109 and in the Google Dir the page is a PR0.

I think smaller directories that are PR6 and give you 5 or 6 keyword rich links for $20 are a much better value than some of the high PR directories.

[Web Gazelle]

Don't sweat bluefind, I am sure they will fix it.

[BlkJack]

At the same time, I wouldn't be investing any cash in them right now.

[bobmutch]

BlkJack: I think even if there were no problems one link directories for $50 is a bit much. bCentral.com give you 10 links for the same price but only for a year. Also rlrouse.com give you 20 links for $30.
But at the same time relevant PR5 link over at textlinkbrokers.com is $25 a month. So a PR5 link on one of the high end directories like bluefind.com http://www.bluefind.com/dir/7883.php (PR4) or sevenseek.com http://www.sevenseek.com/dir/7547.php (PR5) becomes a very good deal if you are interested in PR vote.

While I won't do it for my own site I think I would for clients sites.

[rage]

that bluefind 7883 page is a 0

$50 for that link would annoy the hell out of me, when I can get 150-odd freebies, many of them PR0. Why pay $50 for one.

[bobmutch]

reag: Sorry that link is a PR4. And as noted before if you are only interested in link pop then by all means add yourself to the free web directories. If you are interested in PR vote then a PR4 is $20/mon at textlinkborkers.com and a PR5 is $25/mon. So a life time on either of these seems to be a deal for those that what higher PR pages.

I don't put either sevenseek.com or bluefind.com in my link popularity packages but for those that think PR is important for $100 its a deal!

[rage]

Apologies. it is a 4. I must've mistyped the page name. (i dont use IE).

I understand your reasoning. I'm just saying, that there are better ways of obtaining links than spending $50 for one. I noticed you said that too. But Bluefind gets mentioned as a great directory to add to, and I see no reason why it is. Google obviously agrees, by removing the PR of many of its pages.

The other pay for inclusion directories I'm aware of. I'd go with the text link brokerages any day, over them.

[l234244]

[QUOTE=rage]that bluefind 7883 page is a 0

$50 for that link would annoy the hell out of me, when I can get 150-odd freebies, many of them PR0. Why pay $50 for one.[/QUOTE]

I read from John at v7 that google deindexed some of his pages which is why lots of them have lost PR. Although the homepage still carries a PR8 it should be expected that the inner pages pick up PR after the next update. You can either wait until they get PR and then submit or submit now and receive the pr benefit from the update.

[bobmutch]

rage: It really is quite simple. This is the 3rd time now. The reason they "get mentioned as a great diretory to add to" is for the simple reason people like high PR pages. My page is a PR5 on Bluefind and a PR4 on Sevenseek. Some people are glad to pay for $50 for a permanent PR5 links. Go and pay $25 a month per PR5 link for a while and you will then understand.

Having said that not everyone is interested in PR.

[Web Gazelle]

If it is in the budget I think that all these sites like bluefind and sevenseek are worth the money. Getting a link from them and a link that passes good PR will help you out in the SERPS.

[bobmutch]

Web Gazelle: Currently I am recommending sevenseek but bluefind is not in my high recommended list. While personally I think everything will pan out for both bluefind.com and webatlas.org I am telling my clients to hold off till the next PR update to see what happens.

I know I keep changing this list around sorry : )

www.worldsiteindex.com/ ($13) [6 links – keyword rich title]
www.uncoverthenet.com ($39) [5 links - keyword rich titles]
www.wowdirectory.com (free/$20) [up to 6 links]
www.allwebdirectory.com ($15) [5 links]
www.abilogic.com/ ($10)
www.ajdee.com/ ($25)
www.site-sift.com/ ($25)
www.sevenseek.com/ ($40)


I would expect we are going to see more web directories coming on line that like sbd.bCentral.com that offer more than 1 link. This will be the new wave of directories coming out.

[cardiac]

[QUOTE=bobmutch]Also rlrouse.com give you 20 links for $30.[/QUOTE]

I suggest strongly that you look closely if you believe you're getting 20 links. The 20 so called partner sites that you're link is being added to all share the same remotely hosted directory. You're only getting 1 stinking link from the partner sites and not 20 individual links as you may think.

I'm hesitant to submit to sevenseek at this point after what happened to bluefind. A number of the Shopping subcategories have very recently dropped out of the index and I have to wonder if sevenseek will soon end up with the same problem.

[bobmutch]

cardiac: Good observation. I didn't catch that. I will contact him and ask him if he aware of this. Thanks!

I send Rick an email and gave him a heads up. It is possible that he is not ware of how it is setup. I also changed my entry in my Top Web Directories. Thanks again for pointing this out.

[cardiac]

Please let us know his response. I'm sure that others may be interested.

[bobmutch]

cardiac: There is a problem with the software so the resources were added this way temperarly. I got a quick email back from him. I send him some suggests suggests and am waiting for his responce. The 8 PR0s and 8 partner sites not in the index will be changing shorting as they are doing an active link campaign. I will give a full report after we email back and forth a few times.

Rick tells me this will all be fixed with in 1 week. I have asked him to email me back and let me know when it straighened out. I will keep an eye open and post when it has been changed. Until thing I don't think anyone should jump to any conclusions. I am guessing it took longer to fix the problem then expected so knowing it was going to be changed he didn't note anything about it on the site.

[Gilgul]

[QUOTE=bobmutch]cardiac: There is a problem with the software so the resources were added this way temperarly.[/QUOTE]

I've submitted to him a while back, when they still offered 14 lists. The next day I realized that the links are not static but iFramed. I emailed him and he said then that the links are not meant for link popularity but for possible traffic, and will stay this way, so it's been a long temporary solution.

He did, however, offer to refund my money and did so the next day. So, if you are looking for good customer service, I'll give him 10. All the rest, you be the judge...

[bobmutch]

Gulgul: He also offered me my money back. I know how projects can get behind schedule. Rick said it has been in the works to fix and that it should be finished in a week. It would just make no sense for him not to fix it. He will get lots of $30 subs off the fact that he is offering 20 links that people expect to get link pop off. I have left my entries in and he said he would get back to me.

When everything is fixed its going to be a good deal even of 17 of the partner sites are on the same class c addy.

[Gilgul]

bobmutch: As far as I remember it was 4 different c-class ip's. And indeed it seemed like a great deal. However, at the moment it is not the case, and it was not the case when I submitted my sites. They might have changed their mind since then due to a lot or complaints, but what he told me is that it is set this way to make updates easier. Had he mentioned that it is going to change and all links will be static, I might have not asked for a refund, but that's just me...

[Janeth]

I have gotten an email from both Bob and Rick on this and know Rick very well.

He is really a gerat guy and told me he was also getting it fixed.

[rage]

[QUOTE=bobmutch]rage: It really is quite simple. This is the 3rd time now. The reason they "get mentioned as a great diretory to add to" is for the simple reason people like high PR pages. My page is a PR5 on Bluefind and a PR4 on Sevenseek. Some people are glad to pay for $50 for a permanent PR5 links. Go and pay $25 a month per PR5 link for a while and you will then understand.

Having said that not everyone is interested in PR.[/QUOTE]

You sound like you are getting annoyed there Bob. If you've responded 3 times its because you must like the sound of repeating yourself. I told you I understood you the first time.

The only reason I brought up PR was that it indicated that either Bluefind's had pages de-indexed or been penalised.

A link in a directory isn't a magical wonderful thing. Its a link. Having to pay for something that can be obtained freely, or more affordably elsewhere, from a site that won't draw a penalty seems much more search engine savvy than paying $50 for a link that is recommended because some people think the pages have high PR whereas now they don't.

[bobmutch]

rage: heheheh na not getting annoyed. Just pointing out that it was the third time I posted the reason. Na I only need to hear myself say it once - thats enough for me.

I responded 3 times because the topic was on the table for the 3rd time. Well I must of missed your answer the frist time, I guess when you restated that you didn't understand why....

Yes I can undersand the reason for bringing PR up. 75% of BF's main subs off the home page are PR0s. I would agree to a certian degree that some would want to spend there $50 some where else considering the status of BF.

[Web Gazelle]

Let me know when it is fixed and the have great PR on all pages again. Then I am all over the 50 bucks for getting a link.

[bobmutch]

Web Gazelle: We have a toolbar PR update coming up on ~Mar 26th so we will all see then. I am quite sure the PR problem on Bluefind will be fixed at that time.
Here is my PR History List with perdictions. www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/page-rank-update-list.html (http://www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/page-rank-update-list.html)

[Web Gazelle]

Are you associated with Blue Find, Bobmutch?

[BlkJack]

[QUOTE=bobmutch]Web Gazelle: We have a toolbar PR update coming up on ~Mar 26th so we will all see then. I am quite sure the PR problem on Bluefind will be fixed at that time.
Here is my PR History List with perdictions. www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/page-rank-update-list.html (http://www.seocompany.ca/pagerank/page-rank-update-list.html)[/QUOTE]This is a nice list but is it just an educated guess? If I remember right, didn't you missed the New Years PR update date by quite a bit?

[Thermit]

Unless Bob is moonlighting as an SEO on the side from his main job at Google, then it's just a guess, although an educated guess. ;)

[bobmutch]

I can't remember now but I belive I predicted around Jan 6th so I don't think I was all that far off. It could have been later but for sure I was in Jan : )

Yes I tis just an educated guess but it helps for those that have no idea.

[bobmutch]

Web Gazelle: I have talked with John and we have discussed doing business but no I have no association with bluefind other than I have a nice PR5 link in that directory for my SEO Company site.