The next Google PR update overdue?

[Valkhorn]

I was wondering when you guys think the next google PR update was going to happen. The last PR update and backlinks update was back around April 20th if I can recall correctly. I went from a PR of 4 to a PR of 5 and from 121 backlinks to 262. Funny how that number precisely doubled :)

I'm very very very curious to see how well my site does with the next update since I've done so much more promotion.

So when is your best guess to when the next PR update will be?

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=Valkhorn]So when is your best guess to when the next PR update will be?[/QUOTE]
Should be done by now. Could be any minute like it could be skipped like it happend not so long ago. Stay tuned.

[Valkhorn]

Skipped? As in the servers have updated their information and compiled it, it just isn't online yet?

[Cyber-SEO]

Hehe i hope it comes soon, we have all been waiting for it for a while now :)

[Valkhorn]

I wish there was a way to find the updated PR rankings ahead of time :) The suspense is probably killing everyone.

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=Valkhorn]...it just isn't online yet?[/QUOTE]
The data is recalculated on one of the datacenter and once it's cooked properly PR calculated, algo tweaks... and acceptable, it propagates to all the online datacenters. Then the update is complete and the everflux is back.

But this may change at any moment without notice.

[Valkhorn]

But this may change at any moment without notice.

Google is a fickle beast isn't it?

I know my PR went up, but by how much is the ticket. I am a PR5 right now, but my hope is I'm either a strong 5 now or a weak 6.

(Of course if I've got a PR7, drinks for everyone are on the house, but I'm certainly not planning for that, nor am I expecting that.)

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=Valkhorn]I wish there was a way to find the updated PR rankings ahead of time.[/QUOTE]
Like having the chrismas present on the 22th.
What would it change? You'll run and get more links...
Just get more links, more constructive. The green bar just help when asking for an exchange if the webmaster knows about PR.

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=Valkhorn]I am a PR5 right now, but my hope is I'm either a strong 5 now or a weak 6.[/QUOTE]
PR5 is the 1st strong hard to pass line to make it to PR6. Lots more links are needed to make the 6. I wish you get your PR6.

[Valkhorn]

Thanks Jocelyn,

When my PR was upgraded to a 5, it was when I had only a handful of links. Since the PR update, I know I've gotten a lot more, way more, so hopefully I will get to a better PR.

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=Valkhorn]When my PR was upgraded to a 5, it was when I had only a handful of links. Since the PR update, I know I've gotten a lot more, way more, so hopefully I will get to a better PR.[/QUOTE]
I tought a lots of times I had way more...
Your site may tell you a bit. If your 1st level pages have the same PR5 has the homepage, your a high 5. If they are PR4 then they will have to fill with PR before you pop to 6. Like mine has home and all subpages at the same PR, so it's a strong one. But I don't expect to pass to the next on this one.

[ABS659]

I know this site my have PR ranking.

www.People-Services.net

Google.com index all of my pages.

I am linked with sites that are 5's and 7's.

Where is my PR?

[seo guy]

download the google toolbar http://toolbar.google.com/ then you can check PR, the PR of that site is currently 0

[ABS659]

Is there are way to check if you will be getting PR soon>

[Valkhorn]

Well the internal links on my site (most of them) have PR's of zero since I renamed all the internal links right after the last PR update.

I have a bunch of internal PR4's though.

[ABS659]

How long does it normally take to get PR?

We have over 50 pages index in 2 weeks...
And we went live on apirl 29th. so this is good

but where is the PR?

[SPARKO]

Either have a paid inclusion or put your site in indexable directories or link exchange etc; then it takes circa a month to get your PR. Your doing well to have 50 pages if optimised that should be a good pull. ya know ya online dating service has PR4 yeah >?

[ABS659]

Does paid inclusion into google give me PR?

IF so, what are the tricks? can I just put $.10 for my keyword and show up #10 or do I have to spend real money?

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=ABS659]Does paid inclusion into google give me PR?

IF so, what are the tricks? can I just put $.10 for my keyword and show up #10 or do I have to spend real money?[/QUOTE]
PR is obtained with links. Paid inclusion is when you can't get a link.
Find some sites that will exchange links with you. This will get you in faster.

[ABS659]

We have a few sites linking with us.

My wife is home linking with sites all day long
10 per day on a good day.

We just started 3.5 weeks ago.
we have 52 pages indexed.
but no PR

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=ABS659]We just started 3.5 weeks ago.
we have 52 pages indexed.
but no PR[/QUOTE]
Well... sorry but it's not real-time yet. It's more like a once a month thing for the visible PR (green bar).
I looks like this update is late and might even be skipped.
By patient and keep getting links.

Oh yeah... be very patient.

[bluesaga]

i hope it hasnt been skipped. Also someone said that PR5 to PR 6 is a big jump. How about PR 6 to PR 7? i have been PR 6 for ages now and have over 1500 backlinks.

[vprp]

PR6 to PR7 is definitely a big jump. I believe as PR gets higher, the difficulty of going up almost rises exponentially. Like moving up from PR1 to PR2 is much easier than moving up from PR2 to PR3 and so forth.

[Valkhorn]

Like Jocelyn said earlier, Blue, the best way to tell if you'll make it to a PR7 is something like this. If you have a strong 6, it's got better chances than a weak 6. If you're sitewide a PR 6 I think you're a strong 6, but if you're main page is a PR6 and the rest of your pages are PR5s then you're a weak to mid PR 6.

I didn't believe it at first but something interesting I noticed is that take this site for example. It's a new PR8 site, which means that it's just enough to go over the threshold of PR8 - maybe even a weak PR8 (I don't mean to insult this site, I mean after all it's like saying you got to be president of the USA with a lesser margin of votes than you did someone else - I mean you're still president). Of course, even a weak PR8 is something to be very envious of :)

However the other pages are PR7's (this forum for example).

There is another site, an SEO news site I think which has a PR8 on it's homepage, it's forums, and other pages throughout its site. Now if I'm not mistaken the BBC News site is just like that.

I really wouldn't worry too much if it takes forever for PR to update. All I know is when it does my links will be greater anyways, and the longer it waits - the bigger the change when it updates.

I would still love to know when it will be though :)

Edit: Adding this so I don't double post -------------

Yes, the PR is logarithmic. It's just like the Richter scale :P

A PR6 is ten times harder to get than a PR5, and a PR7 is ten times harder to get than a PR6. A PR8 site would be 100 times harder than a PR6, and 1,000 times harder than a PR5.

I've heard that it _may_ be less than logarithmic, like maybe even powers of 7, but I think the 10 would be easier.

Google, a PR10 site, has 400,000 backlinks listed.
Yahoo a PR9 site, has 9,000,000 backlinks, however most of those are probably from smaller sites whereas Google has higher PR backlinks on the whole.
PHP.net, a PR9, has 694,000 backlinks
PHPBB.com, a PR10, has 133,000 backlinks

Do some searches for backlinks for PR8 sites, and you'll see that they are less on the whole. You could really do a chart on backlinks numbers to denote how much of a Pagerank you can get. It'd be a VERY rough estimate though, but I guarantee you if you had 100,000 backlinks you'd be one amazing candidate for a PR8 or PR9, and a shoe-in for a PR7

[ABS659]

Can you site have back links to itself? :o

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=ABS659]Can you site have back links to itself? :o[/QUOTE]
These would be internal links. They help focus the PR toward the pages you wan't, but you need some backlinks or external links to bring in some PR to your site.

[UnXpected]

can you guess wat my site PR will be, once google Update !

I have been waiting for it .......

[ABS659]

am I right?

[seo guy]

noone can guess what your PR is going to be, before it is published, its just to fluid a model, I say I would rather have my PR drop to a 7 and gain 20,000 backlinks, then ahve it go to a 9 and lose 10,000 :-) Link pop is stronger then PR for rankings, never forget that

[Valkhorn]

Well, you really could guess all you want, you just won't be right unless by sheer coincidence :P

I've even tried accessing the new datacenters from the IPs I've found somewhere on the web. They keep that stuff locked down, as they should - since if anyone knew about it ahead of time it's kind of like insider-trading.

I'm actually glad for it, it makes it much more fair.

[eCommando]

When Google update the PR and backlinks, are they updating the data that is 1 month old, or are they updating recent data?

[SPARKO]

GOD I WANT A PR UPDATE !!

Ecommando I think google visits different parts of your site over the month dependent on your PR, so for this forum it gets indexed everyday and its as uptodate as can be.
so basically its dependent on your PR and your linking buddies PR. Thats how I understand it anyway...

[James]

Google usually spiders 50 or so pages on my site per day. Last couple of days it's been spidering hundreds which, in the past, has always happened just before a PR update.
If this is more than coincidence then I'm betting my money on 1 week from now.
If this is just a coincidence then I'm betting someone else's money :)

[SPARKO]

James thats fantastic news.....tell me some more about how we definitely will have an update this month :-) its strange everytime theres an update I'm always doing some tweaking with my site....gees had all month. No change on the datacentres yet tho :s&m: move it !

[James]

[QUOTE=SPARKO]tell me some more about how we definitely will have an update this month :-) [/QUOTE]
...well one week from now will actually be next month. So I can give you a definite maybe for next month, how's that? :)
(*Note: This 'maybe' may be subject to change)

[SPARKO]

Google here my cries lol. James c'mon a bit of condidence in google... no errors and ommisions excluded terms and conditions apply etc Joc c'mon i bet you know more than your letting on now your on the seo roundtable ....

[nrlatsha]

I had a deep crawl a couple days ago too. Last time that happened it was update time :D Some 350 pages in the last 2 days, yup, I'm a happy man. Anxiously awaiting it...

[James]

Time to remove all those links to pornsites everyone!!!

[PanCorp]

Hi, I'm new to this forum... and have been reading this thread for a bit.

Just today and yesterday, googlebot has also "gone crazy" on my site, which usually happens right before a PR update. I'm here to support the other people's claim too.

I think that it'll happen before the end of this weekend.

- my 2 cents.

[Valkhorn]

Interesting. If that's the case, then everyone place their bets, and eyes down for a full house :P

[chili]

It seems like Google deep crawls my site everyday, so I can't really tell if an update is near, other than it's been over a month.

As far as the discussion about number of backlinks versus PR number, I think it's totally dependant on the quality of the links. Yes, it may take 10,000 links to get to a PR7... if the links are of poor quality, but I've seen 7's with less than 100 backlinks too. I'm looking for an 8 on this update, but I'll settle for a site-wide 7. Here's an example of high PR without the crazy abundance of backlinks: hostm.com :PR8 with only 1300 backlinks.

[James]

It is not solely the number of backlinks that determine the PR of your site. The number of pages on your site also contribute to this since they in themselves hold PR value which, so long as you have a good internally-linking structure to your site, will significantly lift your PR.
Conversely a higher PR will help you site get indexed more, so a healthy of both is what required to lift your PR.
To those who don't know - just remember your PR does NOT dictate your SERP ranking: this has now become a minor factor.

[SPARKO]

still no change @ the datacentres Im sure somewhere else that they were all having little bets at the time of the next update

[ABS659]

I know that so sucks.

we have 300 Plus links to www.people-services.net

and we still have a page rank of 0...We have been adding links at 20 per day.

So frustrating.

[SPARKO]

:fuct: Do you Think We'll get an update now ... :s&m:

[Cyber-SEO]

Patients is the key here. If you still have it your cool if you don't then you shouldn't be in this type of business :D

[SPARKO]

lol check out the previous posts .... I'm confident in googles approach :furious: nah this update would probably give me at least 5x the ammount of traffic - googlebot loves my site lately either that or hes off his head on Vodka

[ABS659]

Has google updated yet?

[SEO_AM]

GOOGLE HAS UPDATED... and it is great; at least from my perspective. :cool:

[UnXpected]

[QUOTE=SEO_AM]GOOGLE HAS UPDATED... and it is great; at least from my perspective. :cool:[/QUOTE]


But my PR still 0?

Is it updated ???

[SEO_AM]

The toolbar has not necessarily been updated yet, but the backlinks have been. I did not expect a PR upgrade... only backlinks. The backlinks, at least for me, have been updated.

Has anybody seen any changes in PR on their green toolbar?

[James]

No apparent PR change anywhere yet from what I can see either, but I'm thinking that there will be one. Last time the PR change seemed to come a day or two after the backlink update.

[SEO_AM]

I just picked up 30% on BL's on one PR6, but the PR is showing a PR5 now. Hope it is just flux. If it sticks, it likely means that I lost a heavyhitter or two among my BL's. No panic yet, but :(

[SPARKO]

Hey so it has ... I gotta get rid of some of these 'dead' backlinks or write them all an email to change their address from links.html etc.... should have a lot more links than that. Nevermind ...

[jocelyn]

[QUOTE=SEO_AM]I just picked up 30% on BL's on one PR6, but the PR is showing a PR5 now. Hope it is just flux. If it sticks, it likely means that I lost a heavyhitter or two among my BL's. No panic yet, but :([/QUOTE]
I think they re-adjusted some stuff on the PR scale...

[SEO_AM]

You telling me that I may have been Googled?

[jocelyn]

Well, maybe we all got googled... as usual... LOL

[James]

Apparently this datacentre has the new updated PR: 216.239.53.99

[SPARKO]

Joc ya know the sandbox is applied to links, so the ones I gained this month would they be seen 3 months from now ???

[jocelyn]

It's always been like 2 updates for links to show for me. So I can't really say it's the sandbox or not. I added some links to a site and they poped as usual after 2 updates ( a bit more than a month if they don't skip one ).

[SPARKO]

Cheers joc... ;)

[jocelyn]

I added 2 new subdir to my site, a french and english one. Both index were cralwed few hours after and the french one outranked one of my old pages. New page credit maybe. If the sandbox is applied to new pages, it should disapear soon after the new page favor treatment.
The english one did not pop anywhere yet...