Hehe, this sounds exactly like our judicial system (unfortunately).

But back on topic, the only way to really police this is for a legitimate competing search engine to emerge so that Google has more incentive to try to eliminate spam. With an overwhelming market share of internet searchers, there's no reason right now for Google to do much of anything significant.

I agree. Competition is a great thing and will result in a better search experience for everyone. But that also means that more SEO nightmares caused by algorithm changes and dropped results.

In addition, having one major search engine makes SEO jobs easier then having several top search engines. We currently only worry about the changes google makes. Imagine if we had to worry about the changes 3 Google sized search engines make.

I think that google has plenty of incentive to elimate spam, I just think that they're preoccupied with other ventures such as Gmail, and their desktop search.

usually spam reports are (at least on an individual report level) ignored by Google.


more likely they just have a stronger brand.


Google does not tell you how to make a great site, an informative site, a site that is worthwhile, or a site that will make money. Adhering to their algorithm makes it easier for them to make more money, but surely I won't be the one sucker in the pool who believe I need to follow all the rules that many people ignore.

Their rules are set up to make them money. With sites I intend to keep longterm I would recommend following most of their guidelines, but for short term high margin gains (sites in fields like pornography) you prettymuch need to ignore a ton of their rules unless you can build an amazing brand that drives itself.


some people can make their own ethical and judgemental calls that guide their lives without needing arbitrary rulesets to guide them. if your life is guided exclusively by the rules or laws then I think you really are not living.

They have a stronger brand because they are known for consistently returning the best results. You don't see Google advertising much on TV or radio, quite like Yahoo has. In the early days, techies used it primarly and G was more of an underground thing before it went mainstream. But it's trackrecord for returning accurate results is what made it's brand strong.


Please provide a statement by Google that says that.


The rules are based on high informtion, high content websites because that's what google searchers want. If they are looking for to shop then they should be listed in Froogle, if they are looking for porn.. then they should go elsewhere, because SEO's that optimize for porn are the lowest in my book.



If you want to make your own rules and not abide by any set rules you will be living in choas and anarchny. Besides, this is what I've been saying all along, "because you choose to live outside the rules, you make stricter rules for everyone else when things like Meta Tags and Alt Tags (things that should represent a site) get devalued because Porn Spammers need high profit margins in the short run.

that comment comes from personal experience and that fact is no real secret. they want to make you believe it is important to promote the search engine is perfect and you should snitch on other webmasters line of thinking.



lots of stuff is sold from search results. some people who do porn are not bad people. I have optimized an adult toy store site before...got him #1 rankings too. it did not make me feel like a bad person at all.



if you do not question authority and blindly follow rules the world will likely be unkind to you. the irony of the porn comparison is that many search engines have a hands off approach when it comes to porn spam...the problem is so big that it is better to let competitive forces sort it out than to try to fix things on the end of the search engine.

1 person's "Personal Experience" is not a valid sample of data, nor should you be willing to accept that as fact. For instance, my personal experience shows that google does remove spam sites we report.

I will wait until google comes out and says that they dont plan on doing anything with the spam reports. Then I'll stop submitting them.


I am starting to see a connection here.
1. You don't care if people spam.
2. You admit that porn websites spam so much the search engines can't do anything about them.
3. You admit to getting top rankings for adult sites.

Makes me nervous to think that you have a book out about SEO.


The thing about SEO isn't that your "Blindly following rules". The fact is that Google doesn't really care if you spam or not. They are just telling people what will and what won't produce high rankings in their engine. Spam techniques (95%) of them can be picked up by search engines automatically.

So why bother reporting people? Well, because I choose to optimize my site using the guidelines that Google gives. So why should others benefit from cheating?
If I was cheating myself, then I probably wouldn't care much. Which leads me back to my above conclusion of, "Why DON'T you care?".


It's funny that you say that. (It's also wrong).
You see. a lot of you tend to think that Google is getting rich off people searching their website. Where in reality, it's the exact opposite. Google doesn't make any money when people search. Infact, it cost alot of money to keep the computers that power google.com up and running.

So why do you think that adhering to their algorithm makes them money? It doesn't. It just costs them money (in terms of hiring more staff to research anti-spam techniques) to discipline people who don't adhere to the algorithm.

It also cost thousands of their jobs when small businesses go under because they've lost their ranking in google.... Because Google decided to tweak their algorithm... because spammers won't take the time to properly optimize web sites.

Everyone blames Google for algorithm updates dropping their sites. But nobody blames the spammers that caused it. Probably because the people that got dropped have sites loaded with spam.

SEO isn't hard.. So why spam?

just as well I can say your personal experience is not a valid sample.


are you naive enough to believe that google does not intentionally misinform people to protect their business model?



1. why should I care about Google's broken spam filitering? why not spend that time making my site better?
2. keep in mind currently I do not own / work on any adult sites...this is what I have got from talking with many many many many seos.
3. nothing wrong with being good at what I do.


your statements indicate you are nervous about much more than that.


so you think Google's guidelines are that they want to tell you how to effectively avoid paying them for advertising?


what makes it cheating and do you need a star for following the guidelines?


did Google hire you to find and define cheats, or is that a self appointed position. seems like right now they are ranking me in the top 10 or so for "seo" for some odd reason or another.


Google serves ads when people search. Some people click the ads. Google makes bank.

Google also puts ads on publishers sites and other search sites. When people click ads Google makes bank.

Google also has a search appliance they sell.

I don't think that those business models are particularly difficult at the surface level.


adhearing to algoriithm and their ideals = ineffective seo. and people will be stuck buying ads. Google makes money. thanks for playing.


and these people email me. and they call me. some crying. and I help many of them get their rankings back for extended periods of time.


I look at the keyword rich text on this page
http://web-design-directory.bluegeckonetwork.com/
and I think spam. personally you are just being a tad bit hypocritical.


for the most part SPAM = SEO = SPAM

Heh heh heh

Google is not worried about "protecting their business model". There is just no reason to tell people that their spam report form is useless, when it is used by thousands of people daily.


Google knows that great websites naturally attract traffic, which naturally attracts advertisers. So, Googles plan isn't to force people into advertising by constantly tweaking their algorithm so that noone can rank. What they're doing is telling webmasters how to create search engine friendly websites that dont dilute search results. By doing this, Google's bots are able to crawl sites better, and deliver more results to visitors. This makes Googles website better, so more people visit, and advertisers love to advertise.


If you've got a star to give, I'll take it. And Googles Spam Report Form outlines what cheating is.


Did Traffic Power hire you to convince people that SPAM = SEO?


Good thing that BGN isn't targeting the SEO keyword. Else you'd be "Top 11" for SEO.


Lol. Are you lost? You just said that not spamming is ineffective seo. Then at the end, you say that "Spamming is SEO".... What do your clients think of that? Or do you withold that little piece of info?


Well then, if you think it's spam. Feel free to report it.
http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html

Since it doesn't have
Hidden text or links
Misleading or repeated words
Page does not match Google's description
Cloaked page
Deceptive redirects
Doorway pages
Duplicate site or pages

You'll have to use the "Other (specify)" field. And your comment would be something like. "When I see this site.... It looks like spam. Please remove it from your index."

Then we'll all wait and see if our site gets removed from Google.
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You see, thats the difference. You don't think that the Spam Reporting system works because you don't care to use it correctly.

Besides. You've got "SEO" repeated about half a million times on your site, and yous rank well. I've got "Web Designer" written half a million times on my site, and it ranks well. Could it be that controlled keyword density isn't really spam.

Perhaps you should make sure you know what Spam is before insulting my site.


Tell that to the Traffic Power Clients.

there is a reason to tell people that reporting spam works...it shifts blame from from the engine to webmasters.


did you get this in writing from google.


you mean like "Misleading or repeated words"


nope, but I spoke out about them enough to where I made it on thier fake forums. one of only 2 or 3 webmasters who had multiple sites / categories on the fake forums.

seems they don't like me. you were left off the sites.


if that is a challenge I will gladly watch you lose.


my clients (or past clients) rank rather well for many terms across many fields...identification, adult, travel, seo / sem, consumer electronics, software, etc.


I just did.




I opted for the Misleading or repeated words category.


I reported your site. if it is still there in a week then either I used the tool wrong (4 whole form elements) or they ignore it. no doubt your site is spam.


comparing your site to that of a spammer? why lower yourself to that level.


funny, I was just thinking that.


I have gave tons of feedback to people who used or were about to hire traffic power. have you?