HI,

I have been doing SEO to my sites for about 3 years. I mostly use the digitalpoint.com key word suggestion tool to determine the searches for a word.

I got 1st position in google for a word for wich digitalpoint.com shows in wordtracker about 350 searches daily and in overture about 100 daily.

I have been about 6 months first for that word and it refers good hits.

Now I got 3rd in google for a word for wich digitalpoint.com shows in word tracker about 2000 searches daily and in overture about 100 daily.

The word for wich I got 3rd isn´t refering me any hits.

Wich tool should I trust for measureing the number of searches daily?

I have been using the digitalpoint.com page for many things and they have great tools, but are they accurate?

I think for what I tell here the digitalpoint.com tool is not accurate. The word ranking 3rd should be refering me good and more hits than the word ranking first.

Is there any other proven better tool to determine searches besides overture, word tracker and digitalpoint (combination of both)?

Any opinions about this?

Andy

A few thoughts.....

The tools are a guide only, useful but slightly flawed....

Scondly, just because you're linking 3rd doesn't automatically people will click on your link! I mean if a title or text snippet looks spammy, I tend to skip over it - I'm not saying yours are... maybe just not attractive somehow. Have an objective look at the Google serps result! Getting front page ranking is just one part of the battle!

Another thing to think about is that the digitalpoint tool uses the google api, and sometimes uses different datacenters to the ones humans uses. When the datacenters are out of sync, during an update say, then the tool becomes unreliable for a time. (Also results can be different if you are doing "international" google searches.)

Use the digitalpoint tool to save time - but you can't beat a manual inspection of the SERPS!

Cheers,
Paz.

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Yeah I know getting 3rd is not a guaranty of getting hits, Title, desc and words on the text influence this. The thing here is I just posted an example of 2 of the many words I rank for. These 2 words are similar and for my experience I see impossible for a word searched 2000 times to not refer me some hits.

I dont think digitalpoint.com uses the google API for the key word suggestion tool. It uses the API for the key word ranking monitor. The key word suggestion tool is based on the overture and wordtracker results. In fact if you make a search on digitalpoint.com and on wordtracker they give the same results.

The point here is should I trust those key word monthly searches on digitalpoint.com?

The difference is big, 350 to 2000 is almost 6 times more searches. Eventhough the word reported with 2000 searches is not giving me even one hit. And the the one reported with 350 searches is giving me good hits.

Can anyone give me an opinion based on experience using the digitalpoint.com key word suggestion tool?

Well the wordtracker data never changed for over a year, so that data is basically useless since it's impossible that for a year I look and it's always the same amount of searches than a year ago.

The overture is usually updated every month, but the words displayed are usually not what people really searched for. Like download and downloads will be combined, so the phrase displayed are not necessarely what the people searched.

So "green widget control", "control green widget" and "widget green control" will all be thrown in the same search. Plus ouverture likes to sort the words... like "widgets green control" would end up being listed as "control green widget" because C goes before G and then W... are we having fun yet ?

So you have to sit and look at the phrase and figure what would be the real mostly used search to optimize for. I use ouverture because they have fresher data and my logs to see what brings me the most visitors.

So basically we can through to the trash the digitalpoint.com, wordtracker and overture tool.

I will have to begin using only the adwords tool to calculate clicks.

Sorry chechogr,

misread your post completely... thought you were talking about the ranking tool...

Cheers,
Paz.

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Ouverture is good to help figure about what phrase is good...

widgets green controls
widget green control
green widgets controls
green widget control
...

so at least you have something to start with... then combine with your logs to see what brings what, you can figure that THE phrase is "green widget controls" and it brings more than an other version of the phrase.

Thats what I have been doing till now man. Thats exactly my point. I combined wordtracker, overture and adwords. Plus competition, PR4s pointting at first top 10, density, etc etc etc

With all those I got to that persuing my frase ranking 3rd was good. But it is not refering hits.

Is there no one with the same case as me?

Okay... I'll tell you one thing I saw... I had that phrase that on ouverture was supposed to be hot. I make it to the first page and like you said... no traffic. Months after, on a saturday, I was getting over 40 hits per hour for that phrase... all google (did not know about logs so can't tell which center was sending it). It lasted for about 5-6 hours and went mute again, with no ranking changes.

Some searches may be location specific and I think that was the case for my above example. The phrase would be searched a lot more in the UK than anywhere else for sure. So I think that for a few hours I was on the first page of google in the UK and once it was gone it went mute again cause it's not searched enough in the other contries.

I have a bunch of searches that I tought would bring in traffic and they did not. But the above surge of traffic for that forever first page really hit me. Maybe it was group hypnosis, they all woke up and mecanically searched that keyphrase... lol