so you are attempting to recover - by 'recover' are you focussing on your on page or off page factors? Can you give me an idea of what you are doing? Not stealing your thunder or trying to pry, just have come out really well in the latest MSN update, and kind of wonder what I did RIGHT - by fluke so to speak... and I seem to be coming up in google sloooowly - different topic I know, but STILL like only around number 50 - for one or two terms of over 100 so nothing to yell about...
Thanks Paz...

...can you be 'less-than-techy' if you reply as I am soooo not understanding alot of the programming speak...though I'm working on it and glurphel stanx... that's about my understanding so far... doing well as you can see...giggle... betta go....

LOL... by recover I mean wait for MSN to sort itself out. I know that sounds arrogant but I have a few sites that had top rankings in MSN, ranking well in Yahoo and consistently improving in Google.

When I do a ranking check and find that I've suddenly dropped from #1-5 to #20-200 (worst case) for a bunch of keywords, but gone up a little in Yahoo and Google at the same time, I'm inclined to ignore the MSN results, carry on doing what I'm doing (fresh relevant content and backlinks) and wait for the rankings to improve.

I'm really happy you're doing well in MSN right now, but it's such a fickle search engine these days. It relies a lot on on-page factors (as far as I've heard), which as you know are too easily manipulated so that in the short-term their serps could well throw up a lot of junk for some competitive search terms.

One good thing about MSN is that it's really fast at digging out new topics of interest, and I think that's where their priority lies - ultra-fresh content.

So perhaps I can ask you? What aspects of your site are you working on in particular that could be responsible for your good rankings in MSN?

Cheers,
Paz.

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Hey Paz... linking (slow but steady) - to both home page and main product pages, article writing, blogging, adding new pages, altering existing pages, making minor html content changes on the home page every 3-5 days, alter meta descs about once every 2 months for all pages.

I have also written most pages using the ranks.nl keyword density and prominence tool, but if you check the pages, you'll see that they are targeted at the customer, though I will admit that on a few pages it doesn't flow as well as it would if it had been written entirely by just lil' ol' me...

I recently added a full site map off the home page, and that seems to have a pretty profoundly positive effect, thanking the forum for that tidbit...I have also linked all sub-info pages to my main product pages. and I am adding pages constantly.

I am trying to avoid duplicate content, and google doesn't recognise alot of my pages which rank no.1 on msn - so I have to try to become more google friendly... having a struggle there. But you know, seriously, there is only so much you can say about warts... :-)

Is that OK?

Sounds like you're a credit to the forum!

I'm sure I totally agree with your SEO campaign, especially the mixture of homepage- and deep-linking as well as the careful considerations on content. I have to say though, I prefer not to alter my titles and descriptions unless I see a glaring hole or problem, and when I do see an issue I prefer to add a new page, rather than edit an existing one.

I think Google prefers "established" pages, but probably acknowledges injection of fresh content elsewhere. A home page of course will always shift, but I can't help thinking that yours has dropped too much text since I last looked. A thousand words a page is always my position for an optimised page, but of course that can be too much for someone who needs a remedy ASAP - ie such pages may not convert well. We have to find a compromise.

Anyway, I can see you're building a real resource for people who suffer from warts and other ailments, and I'm sure you'll continue to make progress in Google , but what do you mean there's only so much you can say about warts.... Apparently there's

Treatment
Tests/diagnosis
Sufferers
Medical authorities
Symptoms
Causes/risk factors
Alternative medicine etc...

Get busy!

And best of luck!
Paz.

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Hey Paz

Thanks for that. There WERE some glaring errors in my meta descs - I didn;t really understand their importance and was focussing more on the keywords, which I now realise are pretty useless, though they are pretty optimised anyway and I'm going to leave them alone. Once I have the descs right, I will leave them alone. Thanks for that.

As to warts, I have optimised pages for one term each - 19 of them so far. If you go to the sitemap (http://www.naturallyguaranteed.com/sitemap.html ) you will see them all listed. And now I am running out, so am thinking to go back in and redo the main ones that are as yet still like no-where in Google... ever get that sinking feeling?

I think that perhaps part of my problem is that I am an affiliate site, though I personally think mine is better than the main one... www.amoils.com

It is my current only means of income, and it seemed like a great idea at the time. Now I realise that real SEO is a tad more complicated than I initially thought

thanks for the reply! Have good weekend!

Lineops:

That parent site is absolute garbage, in so many ways. As far as I can see it's far from obvious that your site is an affiliate site - and probably not classed as one (even if it actually is).

It sounds like your doing all the right things though so you just need to stick with it. Paz mentioned 1000 words per optimised page, and I can see where he's coming from. I don't completely agree - but it does depend on how the site is constructed. Your site is er..."structure heavy" for want of a better way to put it - so Paz is quite right in your case. You need more text than HTML code - a lot more.

I've been having a look at your meta data on a selection of pages, and for the most part it appears your on the right tracks. Excellent. In my opinion, you may want to revise some of your page titles. I hasten to add, this isn't something I would rush into - and I wouldn't normally recommend it unless they are glaringly bad. However, if you look at your titles from a language perspective - they help you as much as they hinder you because of your company/website name. I think the word "guaranteed" (when it's in your title) might actually hinder you. Just IMHO of course - but I'd put money on it.

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... and am working on it! thanks BSolveIT. Am applying as per latest ...tips.doc ;-) but I've only done a few pages, so give me a few days before you take another peek.. K? later...

what tools are you guys using to see what pages you have indexed so far? I've been using market leap and doing manual Link:www.site.com but looking for other ways to see how my indexing is going

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Hi fourthring

All you need to do is use the "site:" directive/command on either Google, Yahoo or MSN. They will each show you different results of course. If you website address was for example www.abc123.com, then you would go to google maybe and in the search box enter site:www.abc123.com

On Google though, you may want to go through the results you find to establish how many pages are in the main index, and how many are in the supplemental index (show after each URL in green).

Let us know how you get on?

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That last update pretty much killed a site of mine and these results don't look any better so for those of you who are ranking well I say congrats. I also ask, how on earth are you doing it?

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