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Old 08-23-2004, 12:38 PM
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Paid SEO - What I'm learning

Hi everyone,

I just discovered this forum today and I'm already a big fan! Lots of good discussions going on. I thought I would add to them.

About 5 weeks ago, I hired a very well-known SEO company to do the optimization of my site. Total bill for 6 months = $6,000. They told me that they would have the optimization started in no more than 10 days, but it took them until today ... when I threatened to cancel my account and dispute my charges ... for them to finally get on the ball.

However, they did do keyword competitive and ranking analysis reports (I thought this was good - it will be used to compare "before" and "after" results), and also developed a pretty cool plan for targeting 10 keywords over 7 different pages of my site. I used actual site calculations to determine that if they are successful in generating even 100 downloads from my site, the service will pay for itself each month. This is entirely possible given the keywords they are targeting.

Today, I received the first set of optimizations for the website. These were straight HTML mods - apparently, the copywriters haven't started their job yet. The list I received was only 1 of the 7 pages, and here's basically what they recommended:

* Re-wrote the <title> tag to incorporate the newly targeted keywords
* Re-wrote the website description
* Added "title" attributes to just about every href on the first page. These were alternated between the three keywords chosen for that page.
* removed superfluous attributes, by making such changes as:

<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

to...

<html>

* Added the meta "robots" tag.
* Added the meta "GOOGLEBOT" tag.
* Added a secondary description to the page the incorporates the selected keywords. This was written similar to the following:

<!-- This site contains information about X, Y, and Z -->

* relocated the javascript on the page to an include file.
* Added "summary" attributes to my <table> tags, again incorporating the keywords.

Any thoughts on this? I'm obviously very disappointed about the speed at which this company is moving, but overall these look like pretty good suggestions.

-OT1138
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Old 08-23-2004, 12:42 PM
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It's the low hanging fruit of on-page work. It may help or it may not...but you gotta pay attention to it in an overall gameplan. The real catalyst will be well developed copy and off-page factors.
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Old 08-23-2004, 12:47 PM
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Sounds like pretty nice fuel (on page) but to really get it burning, you need themed backlinks, when they can bring this to you, you might get on top.
So, keep us informed.
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Old 08-23-2004, 12:49 PM
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$100 says I know who you are using lol

Ok lets go through these

* Re-wrote the <title> tag to incorporate the newly targeted keywords (Good if they rewrote them well) SEO 101

* Re-wrote the website description again good if well written

* Added "title" attributes to just about every href on the first page. These were alternated between the three keywords chosen for that page. COMPLETE hogwash read this forum post http://forums.seochat.com/showthrea...0158#post110158

* removed superfluous attributes, by making such changes as:
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">

What they hell are they doing removing the doctype declaration! It's not superfluous at all!

Whats is superfluous is
* Added the meta "robots" tag.
* Added the meta "GOOGLEBOT" tag.
* Added a secondary description to the page the incorporates the selected keywords. This was written similar to the following:
<!-- This site contains information about X, Y, and Z -->

first of all the robots tag is only necessary when you DONT want a bot to crawl pages, and there is no such thing as the GOOGLEBOT meta tag, no search engine will recognize that nor is it weighted

AND description in comment tags! <!-- --> That is SEO 1998, comment tags have not counted for YEARS!

* relocated the javascript on the page to an include file. This is the right thing to do with Javascript

* Added "summary" attributes to my <table> tags, again incorporating the keywords. This is retarted spam my guess to company name removed** dont want to get in trouble but I know SEO inc uses table summary lol

Overall the SEO 101 stuff here is something you could have learned here in 20 minutes for free, I cannot believe you were charged $6000 for that! Only half of the stuff is actually going to help you as I said it is nothing more then common knowlege SEO 101 I'd be pissed!
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Old 08-23-2004, 01:14 PM
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Good stuff ... thanks for the comments.

Keep in mind though that the $6,000 was charged not for this (thank god, or I wouldn't pay it). It was also charged for copywriting, a link campaign, keyword research, etc.
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Old 08-23-2004, 01:25 PM
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About the GOOGLEBOT tag:

http://www.seoconsultants.com/meta-...s/googlebot.asp

Looks like it does exist, it's just not useful unless you want the robot to not spider, as you point out.

So who am I using? Does it start with an "e"?
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Old 08-23-2004, 01:35 PM
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Keyword research? It cost something like 8$ with WordTracker and you get all the best keyword combinations related to you business in a day. What was involved in the link campaign? Was it only a submission to major search engines and directories? Was it something like a "submission to 5,000 classifieds"? Copywriting is worth a bit more though but depending on what you are looking for, there are a few places where you can get free articles and use them on your website as long as you give credit to the author. Good luck.
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Old 08-23-2004, 01:40 PM
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http://www.google.com/bot.html
Near the bottom of the page, you can read this:
<META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noarchive,nofollow"> -- or --
<META NAME="googlebot" CONTENT="noarchive,nofollow">
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Yeah I make use of the GOOGLEBOT tag in every site.

<META NAME="googlebot" CONTENT="noarchive">

Kills the "cached" copy.
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Old 08-23-2004, 02:32 PM
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I worked for a SEO firm selling services for about that amount...their abilities were laughable at best...crazy ol' Herzog.
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