WOW! I am now listing on page one for almost all of my main search terms!

BUT, a friend of mine has a very similar site and from ranking really high, they have like disappeared - not completely, but big loss of position.

Does anyone know more about this MSN algo update? I'd be really grateful.

I have real problems with my site due to this algo update if that's what's going on.. so I certify that something is moving.. don't know what..

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Hi,

Congratulations on riding high in MSN!

I don't think even Microsoft know how their algo works. The MSN search engine is based on the idea that the algorithm should perfect itself until it comes up with a listing that shows the top ten (say) sites that are pre-chosen.

It's still pretty experimental in my view.

Cheers,
Paz.

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pretty interesting results showing up lately.
two-bit spam sites are outperforming authority sites.

Everybody knows that a time will come when MSN will apply new and tighten up some existing filters a la google to refine their results, but if this is what they've come up with, then big G doesnt have to worry about anything.

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Pre-chosen?

I assume Paz is just joking. Even if it might seem that way for some results.

Microsoft knows fine well that they would be neck deep in solid waste if they were to do that. Plus, love them or hate them, they employ the absolute cream of the crop - they are more than capable of formulating a logical indexing strategy. It might not be based on binary tree's, or probability maps, but I'm fairly sure there will be an identifiable logic there that doesn't involve making a list of "my best buddy's sites" or pinning a tail on a virtual donkey.

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Nope....

It's a self-learning algorithm run on a neural network. They "seed" what they think are quality search results for a given term and run re-iterations until the algo gets it right.

The problem for me is that "quality" can sometimes depend on the market you are in, ie a quality news and current affairs site is a very different beast to a quality casino site say. I've always had the feeling that Google somehow have slightly different algos for different searches/markets, which enables them to give quality results across the board.

Anyway, the MSN neural network has a lot of learning to do in my view.

http://glinden.blogspot.com/2005/06...ng-to-rank.html
http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/050622-082709

Cheers,
Paz.

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oh yes, im #1 for major terms now, lol too bad for every 1 visitor msn sends me google sends me 300

Emergent technology... I read a book awhile back called "Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities, and Software" it was interesting though I wouldn't recommend it.

IMO, it's merely trying to automate the feedback loop... forward thinking and appropriate but as Paz said, I certainly wouldn't pretend to think that things are close to being sorted yet.

One thing from updating this new algo on msn the dynamic sites are up on most of the kws so what it is ?? can anybody explain me in this matter and what is the latest algo of msn.

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Hi,

MSN's certainly always been ahead of the rest when indexing dynamic urls, (especially asp/aspx ones in my view!) but I hadn't noticed a prominence of dynamic urls in the serps I check. Perhaps you could post an example of a search term?

Most of the comments I've seen have reported a stronger link than before between on-page factors and serps.

I dropped back a lot a couple of weeks ago after this update, and still haven't fully recovered.

Cheers,
Paz.

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