Hi All,

I have been working on a second site for two weeks now and though I am not ready to submit to DMOZ, I was wondering...

Will they actually list a second residential real estate site for the same agent?

I noticed that they like to use the agent name in the title's. With that in mind, do you think there is any chance they would add a second site for me? Or, could it backfire and they drop my main site www PhoenixHomes com (which is my bread and butter) in favor of the new submission?

So much to learn, so little time on this planet to do it.

Anyone know for sure?

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Matt Pellerin
The Phoenix Homes Team Leader
Also selling Scottsdale homes .

No. Real estate is such a spammy area that it now has extremely experienced editors and it even had to have its own additional guidelines written to deal with the topic. They can be found at http://dmoz.org/realestateguidelines.html

As for the listing and dropping, yes, it is possible. The editor, on establishing the link (which they will - they are good in that area of the directory), will look at both and decide which is the best one 'from the user' point of view.

Trust me, that is for sure!

Oh, by the way, you may not have submitted it but DMOZ is already aware of http://www.paradisevalleyliving.com/

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You have got to be kidding. I did not submit it and I do not want it listed in place of my main site.

How do you know they are aware? Did you see it on DMOZ? If so, where? Could you post the link so I can see? Maybe my host, AA submitted it?

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Matt Pellerin
The Phoenix Homes Team Leader
Also selling Scottsdale homes .

You completely misunderstood my post..... chill

http://www.phoenixhomes.com/ is listed within http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_Amer...aradise_Valley/

When listing that site the editor had already noticed that this was not the only site for this company. At that time he/she decided to list the one that is there now making sure other editors are aware of the existance of http://www.paradisevalleyliving.com/

You should be aware that submissions are only a tiny way that DMOZ finds and lists site. I cannot find any record that http://www.paradisevalleyliving.com/ has ever been submitted (it certainly has never been listed, deleted, moved or published in DMOZ).



Where did I say it was going to be changed? If you submit the other site then there is no doubt that the editor will look at both and compare them to find out which one is better for the users. Presently it does not look like anything is planned so you are worrying about nothing at this stage.

How do I know? I take it you have not read my signature!

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Took a chill pill (ice tea actually), and have settled down...

I did notice that you were an editor, but had no idea you were in the real estate section, or knew someone there. Or maybe that's not it at all, I have absolutly no idea how the editing works and what you guys have access to.

Looks like that has been there a long time. Didn't even know it was there, thanks for pointing it out. I did however re-submit my main site about a week and a half ago, not knowing I was already there. Back when I first started Phoenix Homes dot com, I was trying to hit every major city that I served. And, my office is in Paradise Valley, so I guess I submitted it that way back then.

Recently, when I (re)submitted I choose the Phoenix Real Estate catagory. That is where I would prefer to be, especially since the new site is all about Paradise Valley and I have been removing content about PV from my Phoenix Homes site and loading it all into the new one. Tryin to focus on only the city in which my office is in, Paradise Valley Arizona, on the new site.

If you are in the real estate section, or know who is can I get the word out that my main site should be in the Phoenix catagory? If so, how do I get the message across without (re)re-submitting?

This is very confusing to me, I have read past posts here about re-submitting a site and how it changes the time stamp and puts you further away from being considered, so I do not want that...

Thanks for your patience with me. I have only been a webmaster (if master is the right word), perhaps web-apprentice, for about a year and a half now.

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Matt Pellerin
The Phoenix Homes Team Leader
Also selling Scottsdale homes .

Now I am getting confused

I assume that the main site yor refer to is http://www.phoenixhomes.com/

This was originally submitted to Regional/North_America/United_States/Arizona/Business_and_Economy/Real_Estate but was moved by the editor, and listed, within Regional/North_America/United_States/Arizona/Localities/P/Phoenix/Business_and_Economy/Real_Estate/Residential/Agents

However within the past week or so it was moved by an editor to Regional/North_America/United_States/Arizona/Localities/P/Paradise_Valley This is probably because that is the geographical location of the office. In all honesty it looks like it was listed in Phoenix in error (unless you have relocated since)

If this is the main site that your are asking to be in the Phoenix category then this is unlikely to happen as the guidelines for Regional, especially the Real Estate areas, state One of the reasons for this is because listing a site based on coverage is really not of any good to the users and is not a workable technique. There are exceptions to this rule however Real Estate is unlikely to be a good candidate for an exception.

As a rule, and definately in the case of Real Estate, there will only be one listing for a company/agent/service within the /Regional branch of the directory. This I am afraid is a hard fast guidelines in real estate due to the massive spam that the industry has caused and the constant frivilous efforts to work around them to try and abuse the directory by getting extra listings.

I don't and can't edit in that area of the directory but I can safely advise against submitting http://www.paradisevalleyliving.com/ to DMOZ so as not to give yourself a name. I would however recommend some linking between the two so as to be able to allow visitors to each site find out about the existance of the other. Of course I would definately get advice from the SEO guys here as to the best ways of doing this as that is definately not my special area

Hope this helps clear things up. (By the way I also know about the other domains that have not been submited that either redirect or go to gateway pages - us editors have special powers ) Feel the vibe

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Actually, my office has a physical address in Phoenix, they just call it the Paradise Valley Office.

11211 N. Tatum Blvd. #130, Phoenix, Arizona 85028.

Paradise Valley's zip code is 85253.

I added the title because, as I stated earlier, I was trying to hit all towns with my site in the begining. How can I remedy this and get to the Phoenix directory as I should be?

If this is the main site that your are asking to be in the Phoenix category then this is unlikely to happen as the guidelines for Regional, especially the Real Estate areas, state
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Generally, a site will be placed in the locality in which the office is located.

But, I am not in Paradise Valley. It's just what everyone calls the branch. It was a foolish mistake made by me in my earlier days.

I assume that the main site yor refer to is http://www.phoenixhomes.com

Yes, it is my main site! I only dance around the URL because I do not want to post links to often here. I definately will not be submitting Paradise Valley Living dot com to DMOZ! Thanks for the words of advise.

(By the way I also know about the other domains that have not been submited that either redirect or go to gateway pages - us editors have special powers)

What other real estate domains? I don't know what you are talking about... it was like that when I got here... may I have my lawyers present? J/K I own about 22 real estate domains. All point to my main site for now because whenever I "park" them on my registrar, DirectNIC dot com, they use them for real estate relevant searches and post the results on the page displaying "this domain is parked". Brats! I don't know what else to do with them, so I point them to my main site incase anyone types them in.

I did have one major issue with that recently, as a matter of fact, I just fixed it today... I had another site and used the domain www Better Phoenix Homes com for it, after I closed that site, I pointed it to my main site www Phoenix Homes com. Well, it was doing okay in the SERP's before I closed it, but whwen I pointed it to my main, it was coming up as the result just below my main site for all my KW's in Yahoo, MSN and more. So I wrote to MSN, Yahoo and so on telling them to please drop the Better Phoenix Homes URL, explaining what had happened and they did not respond. Worried that I could get banned for having what might appear as a mirror site, and with no response from any of the SE's I wrote to, I re-directed the URL to a specific page in my main site that I created just to explain that the URL was no longer being used, click here to go to my main site blah-blah-blah, etc.

Hopefully the next time they cache the Better PH.com version, it will drop from the first pages within the SERP's for my KW's.

Wow, that was a mouthful, or handful or typing! Isn't it weird though, waiting, trying to get a URL out of the 1st page in the SE's??? First time for me anyways!

Okay, back to Arizona DMOZ, Phoenix vs. Paradise Valley, any input?

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Matt Pellerin
The Phoenix Homes Team Leader
Also selling Scottsdale homes .

Right. That is a bit clearer now.

If Phoenix is your true physical locality as you say then make sure this is clear on the site. It is always best to have the true address on the site as opposed to what the locals know it as. I am not in the states and as you see I didn't know you was in Phoenix. The problem is (for me as an outsider) is that there is a category for Phoenix and a category for Paradise Valley. Obviously you can only physically be in one so I would have gone for Paradise Valley based on what the site says.

Change the site to visibly express the true address and then submit an update via http://dmoz.org/cgi-bin/update.cgi?...Paradise_Valley remembering to say where yo want to be moved to and the reason why (in this case you are not in Paradise Valley but Phoenix.

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Thanks for the heads up. I followed the link you gave me and submitted the changes. Now I'll just wait and see. I also changed the home page from Realty Executives Paradise Valley to Realty Executives Arizona. I have always had my address on the HP and 95% of all the other pages in my site, all saying ...Phoenix, Arizona 85028. But maybe the R.E.P.V. was throwing them off?

Off track, but need to know...
Are having all those domains of mine pointing to my main site a bad thing? In my mind it's better than letting DirectNIC use them to give search results, but I do not want to be penalized for anything I am not intending to do.

I think when you guys say "doorway pages" you mean like this one www.BetterPhoenixHomes.com?(please take a look at the page) Because it is a page only telling you that this domain is not longer being used, go here<main site>?

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Matt Pellerin
The Phoenix Homes Team Leader
Also selling Scottsdale homes .

Not from an ODP point of view - definately not. Problems will only arise if you start submitting them all over the shop and thus being contra guidelines.

I am not sure what happens from a Google point of view but from a human point of view you could have 1000 domains but as long as you don't submit them to us we don't care in the slightest. Personally it makes sense to me to have redundant domains going somewhere that may get some use out of them it is just a shame that some se's class it as mirroring which can cause other prob's which I am not familiar with.

<added> I missed the other question

www.BetterPhoenixHomes.com is merely a forwarding page so obviously would not be listed. A gateway/doorway to us is basically a site/page with minimal content but overall has a focus or function of sending you off site to another URL. It could be a 'This site has moved' page or it could be a duplicate of a site where most links, enquires, sales etc etc are directed to another site.

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