Hi all,

Here's a thought to consider. What is everyone's feeling towards site-wide links versus getting a singular or few links when it comes to establishing reciprocals? Of course more is always better, but my question for debate is how MUCH better.

Consider the following numbers of links with an equivalent reciprocal between two sites:
1 link
10 links
100 links
1000+ links

Does anyone have a good feel for a rule of diminishing returns? Obviously 10 is better than 1. And I'd be willing to bet that Google will still give priority to a site with 100 links. But once you get into the 1000's, do you think it makes much of a difference if you have 1,000 vs 10,000 backlinks from a particular site?

Definitely the more links you have the better like you said; since it's based on a logarithmic scale. That is until you get to be page rank 10 which seo guy seems to be on his way doing. Look at how many links this site has for a pr8; the jump to 9 though I would imagine to be impossible.

Do you mean say for example two sites with PR7, but one has 100 more backlinks than the other

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I was thinking in terms of four sites A,B,C,D
A & B have 10000 reciprocal links to each other within their internal pages
C & D have 1000 reciprocal links to each other within their internal pages

Off the top, A & B are probably going to do better if all other factors are the same. The thing I'm getting at is how MUCH better. If there is a law of diminishing returns, then those 9,000 extra links between A & B could maybe be balanced by just a couple more backlinks from other sites (like sites E-G) to C & D.

The idea I'm going after is "since it's based on a logarithmic scale" it seems that the dropoff in improvement would be dramatic once you get x number of links within a single site.

I was looking at Adobe's (pr10) backlinks earlier today, and couldn't help but notice that they have about 123,000 backlinks... That's a lot.

I looked a little further, and there's links to them from w3.org from a pr9 page... hmm... i don't think i'm ever going to catch them.

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Cecil, although knowing exactly how many links and what weight are returned after the first you are right there is not much different from a PR standpoint. If I link to you from a sitewide PR 7 with 2000 pages (With 10,000 weight points on the main page) and then I link to you with a 20,000 pgaae sitewide PR 7 again with 10,000 weight points on the main page my bet is that the amount of PR contributed from each would be very close to equal. So whats the benefit? Good old advertising, the more pages your links on the more people might see it and click on it, thats about the only benefit but hey a decent one IMO. This applies as you say to many many pages and that dimished return is less and less for lower pagecounts I would say being sitewide on a site with 10 pages is 1 1/2 times as good then just being on the index page. But thats just a rough guestimate based on experience

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Btw cecil you get no credit at all if you dont post a site in your sig :-) You have some great questions so I'd be honored if the forum showed up in your backlinks :-)

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I'm glad seo guy's answered that one; logarithmic stuff takes me back to my degree days ooh hated maths which wasnt a good thing doing a degree in electronic engineering. like the main man says post ya site, I'd like a peak 2...

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Hmm, you know if it were a dynamic signature that I could retroactively remove, I would post the link. But I'm a little hesitant to have the competition see my backlinks and read through a step by step demo of our SEO strategy once the forum gets indexed!

The sig should be dynamic like the avatar is. Thanks for the complement though, it's a nice forum. I'll be sure to badger you all with more questions

The sig is dynamic in another vbulletin site I frequent - is it not the same here? Change the signature in your profile, and the signature changes in all of your posts (but isn't added to previous posts if there was no sig there to start with).

Try it for an experiment.

The sig is loaded from the database every time that a user accesses a post (in the same call as the avatar, username, title, and postcount). So yes, Vord, this makes the signature dynamic.

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